Greaves Forgoes Full Season TUSC Entry

Photo: John Dagys

Photo: John Dagys

Greaves Motorsport will not mount a full-season attack in next year’s TUDOR United SportsCar Championship as originally planned.

The British squad, which had outlined plans to field one of its Zytek Z11SN Nissans in the Prototype class, will forgo the season-opening Rolex 24 at Daytona but still intends to take part in the Twelve Hours of Sebring, entry pending.

“The normal paying drivers that we’d like to go with us are not happy with the rules and have safety concerns,” team principal Tim Greaves told Sportscar365. “So far, nobody’s prepared to pay for Daytona.

“We’re going to put an entry in for Sebring. We’d like to think that the guys that [IMSA] need to give us some leeway to try and get people interesting in racing, so hopefully we’ll get an entry for that. Then we’ll have to see where we go from there.”

Greaves said he is hopeful to complete the North American Endurance Cup, potentially with Chris Dyson as one of their drivers.

Dyson Racing has yet to confirm a 2014 program and was believed to had been in negotiations with the team for a potential joint effort.

“We’re still talking to Chris,” Greaves said. “I went over to see him last week. I owe him a call, so we’ll see where that goes. He’s keen to do something [in America], maybe Sebring or something like that. We’ll see.”

The team’s WEC program is also up in the air, with Greaves giving a less than 50/50 chance of it continuing into next year.

Instead, the majority of their focus will likely come in the European Le Mans Series, which expands to a four-hour race format for 2014.

“It’s a shame but we can only go where our customers and sponsors take us,” Greaves said. “We had a good deal lined up for WEC which fell through last week. It might come back, you never know. But there’s a lot of interest for the European Le Mans Series.”

15 Comments

  1. Jack

    December 2, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    everything that has gone wrong so far has been because of grand am related, the safety teams, the tires, and the cars are all grand am problems, the dp’s are unsafe at high speeds, the tires are crap and local safety teams that don’t no every car and how to get to the driver out of damaged cars. im sorry but gran am needs to get there shit together, the only thing good from them is gtd

    • Samios

      December 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm

      That sums up the series so far well.

  2. Hedgey

    December 2, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Safe to say the Prototype class is officially a disaster thanks to those in charge sitting with their thumbs up their arses for the past year. The D24 is next month and there’s still a deafening silence.

    Glad I’m a GT fan – at least all this will hopefully mean all the projected GT class entries will get in…

  3. Lyra

    December 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Awesome, just keeps getting better. How on earth did they manage to ruin the entire North American scenery so fast?

    Thank god we have the awesomeness that is WEC to fall b… oh no we won’t, as that championship is a mess of it’s own. Not literally as there are good ingredients in the mix, but the FIA has made it so sterile it’s not even funny. Then we have the ELMS, which with it’s pro-am formula and lack of LMP1 is like having an appetite without main course, and AsLMS that’s a joke. Most of the other series are BoP-GT3-lotteries.

    Bring on Le Mans, at least you are our savier.

  4. Marc

    December 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    You can’t blame them really. These tire requirements are a clusterfuck. They better only last a year. Outside of the DP’s, GT Daytona is the class I am looking forward to the least, and it will certainly have the highest car counts :(

  5. JAGLeMans

    December 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Sportscar racing is extremely well positioned for the coming years, the WEC is growing year on year, and does a good job of putting the Le Mans brand (and representative grids), in key markets around the world. The ELMS is getting back to it’s best, it’s produced some great racing, and is set to be the best European series next year, while the AsLMS is slowly creeping forward with new prototype and GT teams and drivers.

    We’ll have to see what happens to TUSCC, it has all the right ingredients, but it seems, despite the deal being announced last year, key decisions have been left to the last minute, which has lead to all sorts of issues.

  6. Jason

    December 2, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    I think these are the remaining unanswered questions still at least as far as the Daytoa 24 is concerned:

    1. What will Oak Racing do?
    2. What will Muscle Milk do (P, GTLM, or both or nothing other than the LMPC customer car)
    3. Will 8Star be in with a Corvette DP?
    4. Will Starworks be in with a Riley Dinan?
    5. Ganassi with just 1 car this year?
    6. How will Prototype entries and non-entries affect the GTD count. The fewer P’s the more GTD’s I think. Not necessarily a bad thing I think!

    • Jack

      December 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      muscle was gtlm with mclaren but that fell out, but the nissan gtr could be a possibility with luhr driving the car before in gt1, and having gt academy drivers in there pc car, the rest i have no idea

  7. Michael Zachmeyer

    December 2, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    NASCAB is really going to ruin this series. TUSCC looked promising but the way they over govern things is going to have a negative impact on how it is run. Leave the P2 cars alone and let the DP’s catch up without over thinking it.

    • Bakkster

      December 2, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      As an ALMS fan, I’m not ready to lay the blame at the feet of NASCAR. The tech team whose update and rules package was delayed is primarily the old IMSA team, and NASCAR seemed willing to allow DPs be an underclass until the DP owners balked.

      The issue is almost entirely one of being too late in producing rules and tech upgrades, leaving not enough confidence in the safety of DPs or BoP of all three types of car. Hopefully it corrects itself for 2015, but I expect a bit of a lame duck year in prototypes which would be a shame.

  8. mimi69

    December 2, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    I was wondering what excuse they would come up with. Every year we hear a prediction of how many P2 cars will be running and every year that prediction is way way about reality. There is absolutely NO safety issue with the P2 class this year that did not exist last year. Even the existing P2 champion in the US is not wanting to run in P2 this year. Class never should have been included in the merger.

    • Jc

      December 2, 2013 at 11:59 pm

      No one can say this is a surprise. This is the predictable response to the really bad leadership by the series so far.

      What are they trying to do with the prototype class?

      Each blundering move so far seems to underscore they are not going to be able to combine these two kinds of cars to compete with each other, and they are making it completely unattractive to be in this series in a prototype.

      Instead of being rational about this and saying we will run a Dp class and a separate p2 class, spec’d as-is for 2 years in order to buy time to develop a whole new, clean-sheet concept, they are trying to make these non-compatible machines run together equally and you see the result.

      A whole year goes by and they only do an initial test in late November with less that 90 days to go before the kickoff? And only then they find out they screwed the pooch?

      And they STILL haven’t finalized the rules?

      Prohibitive cost inflation to dps has squeezed potential 2 car teams to a single entry (Taylor, shank, star works…ganassi?). Or forced them to only compete in the b.s. Endurance championship (gainsco). or just snuffed smaller budgeted teams out (sahlens)

      Driver rules pushed the defending p2 champ level 5 out, and they can’t get a sniff of interest in their equipment.

      The indecisive, slower than molasses rules making has caused teams to not commit or just go off in a different direction. (Dyson, muscle milk, 8 star)

      The cocky “don’t bother trying” message for euro teams looking for a single entry turned off interest in the small window of time they had to attract teams and set budgets to come to the us, and now it looks more and more like they will need those entries.

      And the last thing is, the overarching reason given for keeping the p2 class was “the link to Le Mans” and to offer the opportunity for potential p2 teams to run Le Mans if they are interested. But the brilliant tusc schedule puts LM test day on the very next day after belle isle. So you would have to miss that race and ruin any chance at competing for the tusc championship which defeats the purpose of running tusc. Or you miss LM test day and go into that race blind. Or you don’t race Le Mans, in which case why bother running a p2???? Either way, you are screwed if you want to run Le Mans and tusc in p2.

      How frigging stupid. Meanwhile, the prototype class that “everyone hates” according to some posters here, lmpc, is over-subscribed. I would laugh if this wasn’t so disgusting.

      It kills me that Prototype racing in the western hemisphere continues to be devoid of a clear, decisive, comprehensive, exciting long range plan and concept, and from what I have seen in the past year, I fear it is going to continue to be marginalized for the foreseeable until it is in full crisis mode.

    • Bakkster

      December 3, 2013 at 11:30 am

      Well, the safety issue that’s new is if DPs become airborne and come down on a P2 coupe. We saw at Baltimore how close Scott Tucker came to a car climbing on top of his, flying DPs just makes that worse.

      • Bakkster

        December 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm

        Sorry, meant landing on a P2 roadster.

  9. mack1956

    December 3, 2013 at 5:13 am

    Its called a train wreck

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