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Single, Low-Power Hybrid in Frame for Next-Gen Regs

FIA, ACO positioning new-gen LMP1 regs for low-power, single hybrid units…

Photo: James Moy/Toyota

A single, low-power hybrid system is being positioned for the new-generation LMP1 rules, which according to FIA and ACO executives, is increasingly likely to be a shared platform with IMSA.

Representatives from the three organizations, as well as current and prospective prototype manufacturers, have intensified talks for the proposed regulations, which will debut in the 2020-21 World Endurance Championship season.

The platform, which may include the option for an ‘off-the-shelf’ hybrid powertrain for small-volume manufacturers and privateers, meanwhile, could replace the current DPi regulations in the WeatherTech SportsCar Championship by 2022.

WEC CEO Gerard Neveu, ACO President Pierre Fillon and newly elected FIA Endurance Commission President Richard Mille have targeted significant cost reductions, yet maintaining the current performance levels in LMP1.

It could be achieved, according to Fillon, by a more stringent control of manufacturer development.

“The idea is to limit the development of the car,” Fillon said. “If you develop the car, the performance will be the same.

“With the rules, we can achieve that. This is the idea.

“If you spend 20 million [Euro] and another manufacturer wants to spend 30 [million], the performance will be the same.”

Annual budgets ranging from 20-35 million Euro ($25-43 million) were mentioned during a media roundtable with the FIA and ACO executives last weekend at Paul Ricard, although no firm target appears to have been set.

Fillon and Neveu, however, both agree that the regulations will feature only a single, less powerful hybrid system, instead of the permitted two systems per car, which allows up to 8 MJ of recovered entry per lap of Le Mans.

“If you want the idea to respect the cost cap or reduced cost, if you imagine more than one system, you are totally out of the game,” Neveu said.

Fillon added: “It will not be what we had in [the] Porsche and what we have in the Toyota [today].”

An off-the-shelf hybrid system, which Mille suggested could be put up for tender, is also understood to be under consideration, although Fillon said there are many options at the moment.

“It’s all under consideration,” he said.

The development comes in the wake of current and prospective DPi manufacturers throwing its support behind hybrid powertrains, similar to the FIA and ACO’s latest proposal.

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Neveu, meanwhile, still remains optimistic that a deal can be reached with IMSA, with significant progress having been made in recent weeks to create a global prototype platform that would see the same set of regulations compete for overall wins at Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans.

“We are permanently in contact with the people from IMSA,” he said. “We had several meetings with Jim [France], Scott [Atherton] and Ed [Bennett] to see what is possible.

“The idea is still to try to find a compromise, and also meeting the wishes of the manufacturers.”

Fillon indicated he’s “60-70 percent” confident they will reach an accord, with the goal still being to reveal an outline of the new regulations at this year’s 24 Hours of Le Mans.

It’s understood the main “bullet points” for the regs will be presented to the FIA Endurance Commission next month, prior to approval by the World Motor Sport Council in June. 

Manufacturer Involvement Key to Platform’s Success

Neveu and Fillon both believe that that manufacturer participation will be key to the new platform’s success, although wouldn’t place a target number, other than “more than one and less than ten.”

A final decision also hasn’t yet been taken if the class would be hybrid-only, although Neveu admitted it’s been their intention.

“The idea is to make something that is affordable for multiple manufacturers, not just two or three, and also for the private teams,” Fillon said.

Neveu added: “If you deliver a fantastic idea but you only have one manufacturer, there is no chance to survive like that. If you find a compromise and you have three, four, five manufacturers [on board], you have to follow this direction.

“If there’s a possibility to have at the same time a way to rejoin with DPi regarding the strategic decision with sports cars all round the world, it makes sense for sure.

“But we have to be at the same time on the same line, with the best compromises as possible, with the manufacturers. Because in the end, they are the people who will decide.”

Neveu said they would be open to the possibility of mandating the customer sales of all factory prototypes, similar to a rule currently enforced in the ABB FIA Formula E Championship with manufacturer powertrains. 

John Dagys is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of Sportscar365 as well as the recently launched e-racing365 Web site for electric racing. Dagys spent eight years as a motorsports correspondent for FOXSports.com/SPEED Channel, and contributes to other publications worldwide. Contact John

71 Comments

71 Comments

  1. ben

    April 9, 2018 at 8:18 am

    It would be a shame to squeeze out the privateer entrants in IMSA prototype due to the increased costs again. I would hope that IMSA would move back to LMP1 and LMP2 to make sure the current teams stay with the series.

    • Gaucherie

      April 9, 2018 at 8:27 am

      I’d say that’s a sure thing – they’d lose at least two-thirds of their prototype teams instantly if this was the sort of money they were expected to pay to compete. Can’t rely on manufacturer teams to either buy in or remain – privateers are all that keep numbers up.

    • Andy Flinn's ghost

      April 9, 2018 at 8:50 am

      Which privateers would be squeezed out? There really isn’t this plethora of privateers like everyone likes to dream of any longer, it’s a couple cars and they would buy whatever is needed and step up with higher paying drivers as they always do.

      We can pretend Flis and SoD would disappear but he always makes it work, ESM might as well be a factory team with their cash and desire to race. That leaves Core (doubtful Bennett would find a way to pay to race), PR1 will find the drivers they need to run a new car(s) with paying drivers as is their model.

      Now the Mazda ‘factory’ team would pose a challenge as hybrid is not Mazda’s street car path right now. But then little on the cars outside of the paint is Mazda anyway so they’d find a way, and a way to blow up sadly.

      • Gaucherie

        April 9, 2018 at 10:17 am

        The article suggests “annual budgets” in excess of at least 5 or 6 times more than the teams currently pay. So if this new LMP1 spec replaced the current IMSA prototype class, there’d be hardly anyone willing to stump up the kind of money that’s being suggested.

        • Really watch and follow racing instead of pontificating

          April 10, 2018 at 7:22 am

          That’s the FIA/ACO number, so first take it with a grain of salt they have no f’in clue what it costs to run in their series. Second, that’s for the WEC entries so where would that apply to IMSA cars? Or are we extrapolating and guessing? Finally, it’s about 10-15 million per car in IMSA, NOT the 3-5 million everyone likes to quote. That 5 million number was an estimate of what a driver had to bring per seat in IMSA.

          And the hybrid is not for you as a fan. Sorry but until your ass brings a car to the track, your opinion is like your asshole, everyone has one and they all stink. Hybrid is for the boards of major manufacturers to justify their race cars and make pretty print and online ads for non-race fans to pretend their Camry/Accord/Gensis/Maxima are race cars.

      • Max

        April 9, 2018 at 1:51 pm

        Pretending those entrants will always be around is a really good way to loose them. Just like how Cadillac has always been in PWC or Alex Job in IMSA.

        The P class in the series will die or be a three pony show if the budget expand that far. Of course, the FIA and ACO seem really good at ruining a good thing (for example, the old P2 regs) to prop up their ideal of what a top tier class should be, so here we go again.

    • Matt

      April 9, 2018 at 2:08 pm

      This hybrid plan is so idiotic it’s laughable. There’s no point in even having a hybrid system if it’s going to be spec. It pointlessly raises the costs, and fans don’t care about it. It they are going to go through with this plan, the hybrid system shoul be optional so privateers aren’t facing insane costs. The ACO should also mandate that all P1 cars have to be available for customer sales, with a cost cap.

      • Davy

        April 9, 2018 at 11:33 pm

        So true. A spec hybrid system does no good for anybody. It costs an arm and a leg, it screws up the braking balance of the car, adds weight, and the manufacturers can’t even use the phony excuse of using it to develop road car versions since it’s spec. IMSA has been generally smart about these types of things, but this time they fallen for FIA’s and ACO’s crap.

      • AlsoBen

        April 10, 2018 at 12:08 pm

        I am a fan and I care about it. To me if hybrids aren’t in prototype racing then the technology is no longer cutting edge and loses it’s appeal. Racing needs to have that “the-future-but-now” feel that brought it so much success in the past.

        • Slicks in the wet

          April 10, 2018 at 4:01 pm

          At some point, that doesn’t work.

          For the last 100 years they were perfecting engines, brakes, suspensions…

          There is no more development room. If they wanted right now, they could do like 2.5 min laps at Le Mans. Of course, accidents would be death filled fireballs. So. That won’t work.

          In 50 years, internal combustion engines and DRIVING itself will be no longer…so what would racing be then?

          What is out now?

          It really should just be noise, speed, and driver ability as the spectacle. Screw future but now. Because the future is no racing.

          • AlsoBen

            April 10, 2018 at 5:24 pm

            That some point isn’t yet, if ever – The automotive industry is making a fundamental shift to hybrids and EVs, so motorsport has to follow. A proportion of series might be able to survive by being ‘legacy’ events who want to preserve the old ways of pure, unadulterated ICE racing – though the environmental impact of that may become unjustifiable. The main core of motorsport will have to move with the times.

          • Slicks in the wet

            April 10, 2018 at 7:42 pm

            That’s fine. I’ll kick, scream, and bitch about it. And if they continue, I’ll do something else with my time, energy, and money.

  2. Madkart

    April 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    Newly elected FIA Endurance Commission President Richard Mille? As in the Swiss watches Richard Mille?

    • John Dagys

      April 9, 2018 at 9:33 am

      Yes.

      • Old Trombone

        April 10, 2018 at 1:30 pm

        S’funny, one guy who’s job is dealing with Porsche and Ferrari, another guy who’s job is putting on a multi-billion show for people who own Porsche’s and Ferrari’s and the tickets cost as much as Pebble Beach, and the last guy makes watches that cost as much as a decent flat in NY or a mansion in Houston, …

        THESE PEOPLE ARE COST CONTROLLERS???

  3. AlsoBen

    April 9, 2018 at 8:52 am

    I like the idea of mandated customer sales of factory prototypes to privateers. Works a treat in Formula E with privateer Techeetah able to compete up front. I think it would help the overall health of the competition.

    • Anonymous

      April 9, 2018 at 11:49 am

      Yeah that sounds like a good idea! Porsche have been the masters of this in the past; just look at the track record, the 917, 935, 936, 956 & 962, all the way up to the RS Spyder were all sold to privateers and this in turn increased grid sizes and improved both the car’s performance and reliability, all in all its a good idea, I worry though that the top manufacturers won’t wear this for long! Especially if they were to start losing.

      • Matt

        April 9, 2018 at 2:51 pm

        Also speaking of the rs spyder the lap times they were running around Sebring were about 2-3 seconds faster than the p2 cars of today! And they didn’t even have 600hp like the ones of today

        • ben

          April 9, 2018 at 4:32 pm

          I think that will change with Michelin next year.

    • Matt

      April 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm

      Or even Rimac, the guys over there are extremely intelligent especially since they are the working with aston Martin on the Valkyrie.

    • Davy

      April 9, 2018 at 11:36 pm

      FE is pretty much spec though. The only part which is to be developed is the actual motor, which is extremely simple. Privateers wouldn’t have the know how or budget to run a Toyota LMP1 even if theoretically they were for sale.

      • AlsoBen

        April 10, 2018 at 12:02 pm

        Perhaps not today’s LMP1s, but if the future rules keep them simple and cheap enough, I’m sure a privateer could get their head around things. Manufacturers may also want to provide a small amount of help to privateers in return for running data, improving both of their chances in the race. It can certainly work if the rules mandate that a manufacturer must supply a car if requested – they will design it to meet that requirement, including making it user friendly.

        Also in FE there’s also inverters, drive train and control software open for development in addition to the motor. Fun fact but Jens Marquardt said today that “This Formula E project has seen the most remarkable technology transfer between production and motorsport in the history of BMW.”

        • Slicks in the wet

          April 10, 2018 at 4:03 pm

          “This Formula E project has seen the most remarkable technology transfer between production and motorsport in the history of BMW.”

          Welcome to the world of marketing wank. You’ve been had.

          • AlsoBen

            April 10, 2018 at 5:37 pm

            Get of your cynical high horse for a moment and consider the reality of the situation – you simply must be clever enough to see past the ‘marketing wank’ considering that you can identify it. It doesn’t a take a genius to work out that ‘in the history of BMW’ is ..likely.. hyperbole, but the sentiment of the statement isn’t completely without justification.

            Certainly in recent years, a racing EV power-train has much closer resemblance to what will be in a road EV than modern racing ICEs and ICE road cars. It’s entirely possibly that BMW believe that racing EV power-trains will continue to retain that close resemblance indefinitely in a way ICE has not, hence the ‘history of BMW’ claim.

            So don’t write off the statement with your prejudice. Think critically.

  4. DanO

    April 9, 2018 at 9:05 am

    You obviously missed a press release last week from a certain French manufacturer regarding supplying exactly what is specified here. Poor form.

  5. Marc

    April 9, 2018 at 9:36 am

    “Annual budgets ranging from 20-35 million Euro ($25-43 million) were mentioned..”

    I seriously doubt this number is sustainable. What does it cost now to run 1 car in IMSA for the full season? DPi, $4-5 million per car? LMP2, $3-4 million per car?** Even if the proposed budget is for 2 cars, that is still 3x-5x current costs. For IMSA manufacturers, running in DPi is a marketing exercise, not an R&D exercise (like Toyota is using the platform for). I still remember when Audi pulled the R10s for the 2009 ALMS season, Audi of America no longer wanted to fund the program, they’d rather spend the few million marketing dollars per year on Super Bowl ads. They felt that was a better way to spend their marketing dollars.

    You’re telling me, yes I’m looking at you ACO, that Honda/Acura, Cadillac, Mazda and Patron/Nissan are willing to spend 5x-8x more dollars per car per season? (Or 3x-5x for 2 per season?) I seriously doubt that. This plan is a sure fire way to kill what IMSA has now.

    I’m completely fine with the rules being you can run a low-power hybrid or not as a manufacturer. But, if the rules are as they are now, with manufacturers having to run a hybrid (no AWD), that will kill participation.

    DPi provided manufactures a sustainable platform to race in the top category. Need to keep sustainability at the heart of the regs. And increasing running multiple times over what they are spending now is counter to sustainability.

    **I took those numbers from and speculated regarding DPi: http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/pc-teams-ponder-future-in-reduced-three-class-format/

    • Fareed

      April 9, 2018 at 9:16 pm

      Marc- please re read that link you posted. The budgets there are NOT the total budgets for the team, but rather what a driver would pay the team for a single seat for the series. So for a driver to do ELMS and LeMans he has to come up with 2 million.
      John Dagys can verify this, but I recall hearing on his podcast in the past I think a summary of average team budgets for various series. My recollection was that for example Corvette’s GT budget for IMSA is over $ 6 million. So I would guess Weathertech Dpi budget is much more than that, and WEC Prototype budget another big stepup above that.

  6. FLB

    April 9, 2018 at 9:56 am

    How much does an IndyCar program cost for a manufacturer? At what point would IMSA become more costly than Indy?

    • Haskellb

      April 9, 2018 at 12:08 pm

      Not sure how much the R&D on the 2.2L V6 costs. I know the price is six to ten million per year per car going from bare bones to top shelf.

  7. Jenner

    April 9, 2018 at 10:09 am

    Spec racing, yea!!!

    • Slicks in the wet

      April 9, 2018 at 11:51 am

      At this point..

      Just do away with LMP. They aren’t real prototypes anymore.

      GT only. And require factories to sell to customers and require cars to maintain drivetrains offered and layouts of road going cars.

      • Tyler Sanders

        April 9, 2018 at 12:01 pm

        How aren’t curret LMP’s not real prototype’s

        • Slicks in the wet

          April 9, 2018 at 12:07 pm

          Every aspect has to fit a nicely defined box by the FIA. Construction materials are regulated. Engine tech is regulated. Suspension is regulated.

          Like, dude, a better question is how ARE current LMPs prototypes?

          • AM

            April 9, 2018 at 1:36 pm

            It’s been like that for a long time now…

          • RobertB

            April 9, 2018 at 5:00 pm

            Somebody nudge Panoz awake and bring back the Delta Wing!

      • Change it up

        April 9, 2018 at 12:06 pm

        We have this already, its called GT4/TCR

        • Slicks in the wet

          April 9, 2018 at 12:09 pm

          TCR is a fucking joke. Those things are wrong wheel drive and allow aero mods that would never be seen for sale to the public.

          Just like the Hyundai I buy is the same as the WRC version?

          • Matt

            April 9, 2018 at 1:03 pm

            Well said, TCR is terrible

          • RobertB

            April 9, 2018 at 5:01 pm

            I don’t understand why they look like rally cars.

          • Slicks should really watch racing instead of pontificating

            April 10, 2018 at 7:17 am

            So instead you’d prefer what, another GT4 class? The cars in TCR are already front wheel so making them rear wheel would be completely opposite of your GT grand plans earlier.

            And FYI, TCR is less than a second slower than GT4 around COTA, they aren’t slow cars by any means.

          • Slicks in the wet

            April 10, 2018 at 9:06 am

            How does a FWD Subaru TCR make sense?

            GT4 is fine.

            I never said anything about speed of TCR. They are interesting but really don’t fit in with endurance racing.

  8. RobertB

    April 9, 2018 at 10:12 am

    Wouldn’t the FIA/ACO worry about WEC teams jumping ship and moving to IMSA full time if WEC continues on the decline? If they no longer hold the golden key to Le Mans…

    • AM

      April 9, 2018 at 10:43 am

      Probably not because IMSA only grants 2 auto entries for Le Mans (1 for a GT team and 1 for a P team). Any other IMSA team interested has to apply. Every team in the WEC gets an auto entry to Le Mans and it’s not in the ACO’s interest to change that

      • RobertB

        April 9, 2018 at 11:08 am

        You’re right. I didn’t think it through.

    • TF110

      April 9, 2018 at 11:40 am

      Continues to decline? What do you mean the wec, which has it’s biggest entry list in it’s existence this year, is in decline? Because Audi and Porsche aren’t in lmp1?

      • Slicks in the wet

        April 9, 2018 at 11:55 am

        Because near spec racing in LMP2 is stupid and LMP1 is…merely okay.

        I mean, 30% of the large grid is not exciting.

        • Tyler Sanders

          April 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm

          LMP2 in IMSA is spec racing and DPI’s are BOP’ed to oblivion.

          • Slicks in the wet

            April 9, 2018 at 12:10 pm

            Cool. Where did I say I liked what IMSA is doing?

        • Fouseytube

          April 9, 2018 at 2:16 pm

          Formula Fox is that you?

          • Slicks in the wet

            April 9, 2018 at 7:49 pm

            Lol mo, screw THAT guy.

          • Fouseytube

            April 10, 2018 at 7:44 am

            HA-HA

      • RobertB

        April 9, 2018 at 5:04 pm

        Merely my own opinion, and I mostly meant P1. The excitement of 3 new HY cars from 2014 or whenever that was is long gone.

    • Steven

      April 9, 2018 at 5:05 pm

      As long as IMSA plays favorites for DPi over LMP2. There will be no jumping ship. United Autosports and DC Racing both said it was pretty much pointless to race the 36 hours this year because the BoP was so unfairly biased.

      • Davy

        April 9, 2018 at 11:40 pm

        IMSA teams doing LM or any other event get screwed as well.

  9. AM

    April 9, 2018 at 10:46 am

    So basically this would lead to the current DPi manufactures going to LMP1 and the privateers in their won class running the LMP2. Sounds like what we have already with the current BOP….

  10. Dave

    April 9, 2018 at 11:46 am

    I don’t understand the concept of less powerful, less-expensive, off-of-the-shelf hybrid systems. They add nothing to the manufacturer teams since it is not their tech – nothing to tout more money to spend. They would add nothing to privateer teams except expense, and they would not improve the quality of racing. It all seems to be about virtue signaling. There is already formula E, where they are making some improvements in battery performance. Soon they may actually be able to race multiple laps at premier venues that feature long straight aways and elevation change. Battery technology needs a breakthrough before hybrid or all E racing is practical. Five years ago, it was projected that over 50% of all cars sold would be hybrid or all electric. I think today the number is around 2% – at least in the US. We’re all waiting for the E future we were promised, but the pesky economic practicalities of the increasingly efficient ICE keep getting in the way. Don’t FIA’up IMSA.Please.

    I guess I won’t get too worked up about it since the regs announced at last year’s Le Mans lasted all of about 3 months before they had to be walked back.

    • Haskellb

      April 9, 2018 at 3:04 pm

      It lets the ACO drop a load of BS about the series being green. Even if it is a spec component the manufacturer can make a commercial showing their car with the “Advanced Prototype Hybrid”. Pierre Fillon is also obsessed with being more technologically advanced than F1.

    • Matt

      April 9, 2018 at 7:33 pm

      You’re someone who understands. It’s incredibly frustrating as fans who just want to watch some fast, decent looking/sounding race cars that produce good racing.

    • AlsoBen

      April 10, 2018 at 12:15 pm

      Just because the system is off-the-shelf doesn’t necessarily make it meaningless to manufacturers. They still learn lessons regarding its integration and operation that they can take forward when designing (or even buying) and integrating their own for road cars.

      Also I have no idea what time frame your 50% prediction was for, but I doubt it was any time before 2025. I can also say this; it took nearly a decade for the percentage of EVs on the road to reach 1% – it took only one year to reach 2%. The rate of adoption will not be constant.

  11. Slicks in the wet

    April 9, 2018 at 11:48 am

    Stop this crap!!!!

  12. Haskellb

    April 9, 2018 at 12:11 pm

    Just say no to the ACO. Beware the French Weasels.

  13. Douglas Bankler

    April 9, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    Please, please please, don’t let the incompetent French ruin sports car racing AGAIN!

  14. Redcap

    April 9, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    The ebb and flow of prototype regulations through the years is interesting. North America seems to always be chasing the tail of the ACO and their big hook, Le Mans. Le Mans is wonderful, great, all these things. The current proposal of regs is a bad idea. DPI seems to working out. Let the P2 spec cars run the bigger Gibson engine. Add another nice endurance race to the IMSA calendar and let the ACO cry in their beer. As for Le Mans, oh well.

    • kevlow

      April 10, 2018 at 6:51 am

      That is a concise, well stated, good idea. LMP 2 gets a bigger Gibson, DPIs loosen up the BOP, and call it a day.

      The only draw back might be that some of IMSA’s manufactures might want to expand their market internationally. Being FIA/ACO compliant might be of value, even if it is with bogus ” green” spec hybrid system [that adds nothing to performance that they already can achieve with current DPI equipment}

      As for another endurance race in the states, I am not sure what would work. As for replicating LM and the Mulsanne, I can only think of reopening one of the old runways at Sebring to lengthen the track again. Sebring has the crowds. Road America is big and has tradition but not the Crowds for a marque event.

  15. The Esses

    April 9, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    Interesting. I’m encouraged by the off-the-shelf proposal being just an option. The language here is a bit discouraging though. Obviously at this point we all know that costs are the major issue, and while I agree the solution needs to surround reducing the incentive to ramp up spending again, I don’t like the idea that their will be limited incentive for development. F1 has essentially gone this route – teams are sort of stuck where they are on the grid no matter how much they spend. They are still spending millions for the most minuscule of gains but its all really for naught, so we neither get to eat our cake or have it…

    The other major point of interest for me is the subject of privateer teams and smaller manufacturers like Mazda. There really ought to be some freedom to experiment with hybrids but also some sort of regulatory intervention (i.e. EoT) to allow for a range of outfits to compete. No one “deserves” to win Le Mans, but I think if Mazda could spend say $10-15 million doing a Skyactive on-hybrid engine they ought to able to at least compete with a Toyota Hybrid project spending $30-50 million. Same goes for privateers. Many of the DPi teams really belong in a “P2” level class, but some room obviously must be made for private teams to compete as well. They might never be the favorites but having them is only a good thing for the sport.

  16. bjones

    April 9, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    Agree with redcap, Funny how they always come snooping when the locals have something going, then the rug.

  17. fernando

    April 9, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    What are the low cost hybrid’s bringing to the table? Or, is this the way the ACO has found to continue to survive? Leave the DPI’s alone and make the P2 faster so they can compete on equal terms. This might bring some European teams to Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Petit. ADD the P3’s to those 4 events to give the gentleman driver a taste of the big time. Once they get a taste for the big time, they might move to the top class and increase or maintain the car count. The tracks are big enough to cope with the increased car count. How many IMSA manufacturer’s really want to compete in Le Mans? And for how long? Leave the ACO to it’s own rules and vision. Scott Atherton’s “vision” killed ALMS. Now he’s trying to do the same to IMSA, as I understand that he’s the prime mover about an alignment with the ACO. IMSA is in good health, so don’t fix what isn’t broken. Just work on the TV schedule… and get Hobbs and Redman to commentate!

    • Haskellb

      April 9, 2018 at 7:49 pm

      All of them want to compete at Le Mans. They just don’t want to spend the cash for mid-field F1 team to do it.

    • kevlow

      April 10, 2018 at 7:07 am

      I also like this idea of adding the LMP3 car to the NAEC races.

  18. Matt

    April 9, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    The watch guy is in charge of racing now?

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    April 10, 2018 at 3:47 am

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