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Rebellion: Small Gains Still to Be Made Despite EoT Deficit

Rebellion Racing hoping to improve pace in Q2, Q3 but hoping for unlikely EoT change…

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Rebellion Racing team manager Bart Hayden believes there is still room for improvement in qualifying this evening but admits that Toyota will still walk away with the race unless an Equivalence of Technology change is made.

Hayden isn’t expecting to see any changes to the EoT but would like to see the fuel flow rate for the non-hybrid LMP1 cars moved back up to 110 kg/h from the current 108 kg/h configuration, as was the case in the FIA World Endurance Championship season-opener at Spa.

Nevertheless, he’s hopeful that the Swiss team can make some improvements to its pace in this evening’s pair of two-hour qualifying sessions.

“I’m not expecting any [EoT changes] but obviously I’d hope to see some,” Hayden told Sportscar365.

“We’d like to get as close as possible to the Toyotas to make it an interesting race for everybody.

“I think if they’re just going to walk away with it then it’s just a little bit less interesting. We hope that there’s a change but I’m not sure that we’ll see one.

“The main one is the fuel flow rate, which is at 108 at the moment and was at 110 at Spa. We’d like to see that back at 110.”

Bruno Senna set the team’s best time in Qualifying 1 on Wednesday with a 3:19.662, which put him 2.392 seconds behind the fastest Toyota TS050 Hybrid.

However, Hayden says Senna’s time wasn’t 100 percent representative because the Brazilian driver hit a Slow Zone at the end of his lap, meaning he couldn’t beat the team’s best Free Practice time of 3:19.426 set by Thomas Laurent.

Hayden therefore believes the team can improve upon its provisional qualifying time if tonight’s sessions remain dry, with possible rain showers forecasted.

“I don’t think the pace is far away, actually,” he said. “We’ve been trying to learn about the car here at Le Mans since the Test Day and we’ve had all sorts of different setups on.

“I think on the Test Day we had a setup on that we were quite happy with, but we’ve just been trying to evolve that here. 

“I think we’ve got a little bit of work to do but we aren’t far away.”

Julian “Really Happy” With DragonSpeed Pace

DragonSpeed team principal Elton Julian, meanwhile, said he’s pleased with the performance showed by his BR Engineering BR1 Gibson on Wednesday.

However, he says they’re not looking at the Toyotas as competition and therefore have different goals to Hayden and Rebellion.

I don’t care about the Toyotas,” Julian told Sportscar365. “I’m not here to race them, I don’t think that we should be entitled to claim that we’re adversaries.

“In P1, we had a really good day, considering what we’ve gone through. It was a great day and the pace of the car is there.

“In theory, we thought we could run around doing 3:20s and 3:21s, and then we went out and did it. That’s good, and I think that’s what the race pace is going to be.

“The engine mapping had some issues in the night which we can now build on.

“The lap time which had been done in quali, which is not representative, with everything correct on the engine side, is a mega lap time. We’re really happy with that and confident.”

Jake Kilshaw is a UK-based journalist who is Sportscar365's European Editor and also Managing Editor for e-racing365. He is a student of Politics and International Relations. Contact Jake

26 Comments

26 Comments

  1. Paul

    June 14, 2018 at 11:01 am

    Not a little “bit less interesting”, a whole f***** lot interesting. I almost hope the Toyoyas will catch fire in place where they wont cause a slow zone, but the stench of the smoke will reach the biased rulemakers noses.

    • AudiTT

      June 14, 2018 at 12:28 pm

      Toyota where on pole last year by 2.9 seconds…….from Porsche.

      3.17 isn’t even a particularly quick lap for Toyota. They should be capable of a 3.15 or under. The non-hybrids are certainly capable of 3.17 or better. None of them had a clean run of laps on new tyres.

      Last year the quickest non-hybrid did 3.24. So they’re now upto 7 seconds quicker. The Toyota meanwhile is running to the same regulations as last year.

      The only “bias” is to give non-hybrid cars a significant performance boost. Cars incidentally that are one race old. I’ll remind you that in Toyota’s first race back with the TS030 in 2012 they where doing mid 3.25’s.

      • Yetimania

        June 14, 2018 at 1:57 pm

        That’s as stupid as it sounds. Bykolles did a 3:24 last year this year a 3:22… You know their updated aero and weight savings make for that gains. And that privateers fuel flow is down over 2017?
        Obey the rules: 0.5 sec difference or stop Toyota’s during the race if they are faster than ACO’s predictions.

        • TF110

          June 14, 2018 at 2:05 pm

          Yeah ok. Toyota did 3:14.7 last year. They have yet to get a 3:16 this year. Ever since 2014, the hybrid cars were guaranteed to go further on fuel than non-hybrids. This rule is nothing new.

          • FlyingLobster27

            June 14, 2018 at 2:25 pm

            I have no issue with the hybrids running longer stints, that’s sort of the point of going hybrid. However, there have been great Le Mans races between the fast runners and the long runners, and by mandating that the non-hybrids cannot be the fast runners, while the hybrids can trounce the field as much as they want, the ACO have missed the point.

            The factory fans are on damage limitation again. After trying to get us excited for the race by saying “watch this space, it’s going to be close”, and beaming “see, we told you, it is close” after testing and practice, it’s time for the “be grateful the ACO are letting the non-hybrids run at this level” discourse…

            Thankfully, Le Mans is its own beast, and anything can, and usually does, happen.

          • Steven

            June 14, 2018 at 5:00 pm

            Toyota did that for one lap, They were very lucky to have zero traffic and perfect conditions to set that time.

            Also, more of the hybrid power can be used in qualifying compared to the race.

  2. griffx5

    June 14, 2018 at 11:02 am

    Just give Toyota the trophy already….sad.

  3. Pay Driver

    June 14, 2018 at 11:16 am

    Might be the least interesting in Le Mans in some time. Both Pro classes very much lopsided towards one car. One of the Pro-Am classes, still favoring one car. At least GTE-Am has some good competition this year I guess.

  4. Jack

    June 14, 2018 at 11:22 am

    Peugeot was fastest in 2010 and 2008, I remember then how everyone was saying just give them the trophy, OH WAIT, THEY DIDNT. So STFU up about the damn EOT, Jesus Christ people, when did a privateer team ever compete in pace, or ever be this close, of yea, NEVER.

    • Grand Am Fan

      June 14, 2018 at 11:27 am

      This is one reason why I would like to see stage racing in endurance races. Break the race down into 12-16 stages and then reset all of the stage winners onto the lead lap for a final 1 hour Saturday Night Short Track style sprint to the finish.

      • stupid idea

        June 14, 2018 at 11:47 am

        no

      • Matt

        June 14, 2018 at 6:41 pm

        Eww

    • Yetimania

      June 14, 2018 at 12:19 pm

      Pescarolo, year 2005.
      Audi’s were slown down and they had a real chance of victory.
      EoT MUST be fulfilled: 2.2 seconds is NOT 0.5 seconds.
      Full stop

      • AudiTT

        June 14, 2018 at 12:37 pm

        EoT is not BoP. Toyota and Porsche ran unchanged EoT last year despite Toyota qualifying 2.9 seconds ahead. Post Le Mans Porsche then went on a dominant run with a new HD aero kit before Toyota came back. All with the same EoT.

        3.17 isn’t a quick lap for Toyota. The same car, in the same spec, did 3.14 last year. Neither is 3.19 representative of non-hybrid qualifying pace. They’ll be expecting that pace during the race. In qualifying 3.17 and under is possible.

    • MalthusUnderstimated

      June 14, 2018 at 5:44 pm

      Private teams generally haven’t competed on pace. BUT they have not been expressly forbidden by the rules to be faster.

      That’s a huge difference.

      Your failure to acknowledge or understand it is either cynical or buffoonery. And people may complain about this manifestly unreasonable EoT all they wish. Whether you like it or not.

  5. Just another fan

    June 14, 2018 at 11:55 am

    The reason why the fuel flow was brought back was because the hybrid impact at Le Mans is far less than it is at smaller tracks like Spa, I believe. The adjustment wasn’t made just because. Rebellion is indeed slower than mandated by the rules but well within Le Man’s typical differences.
    Besides, will fans be okay with the FIA/ACO taking away the EoT breaks as the privateers develop their cars and actually get closer on pace alone? Or will they complain that the rule makers are artificially slowing down the privateers so that Toyota can win?

    • Jack

      June 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm

      Spa is 4 miles with 8 megajules allowed, Le Mans is 8.5 miles with the same hybrid, so you hit the nail on the head with why the hybrid isn’t as effective.

      • Jackson

        June 14, 2018 at 2:21 pm

        Spa is 4.4 miles with 6.37 MJ, not 8.

        • Believe your info isn't accurate Jackson

          June 14, 2018 at 3:12 pm

          I believe they are allowed to harvest up to 8 MJ regardless of lap length, they may not get the full 8 in a single lap but that’s the potential not the per lap harvest.

  6. Yetimania

    June 14, 2018 at 11:58 am

    An European Union complain about restrictions to competition will make then tremble a bit. After years of benefiting some participants over another’s, Ford two years ago, Aston last year, now Porsche… we can always expect some divine justice coming: Toyota’s will be welcomed by some blinded GT privateers during lapping ending any hopes of a gifted race win. Win on merit or GTO

  7. Redcap

    June 14, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    The Mazda 787B victory at Le Mans is legendary. Still the only Japanese victory there. Maybe Sunday afternoon that will still stand. Stay tuned fans, nothing is set in stone.

    • Kirk

      June 14, 2018 at 2:30 pm

      But what’s sad is we probably won’t see any sort of real racing for the overall win. It’ll just be a case of watching to see when/if the Toyotas break. Hopefully they break early because that’s when the race will get REAL interesting.

  8. Antonio Desmond Miles

    June 14, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    It’s interesting that Elton Julian’s team found pace so quickly despite not having the car at Spa. That shows how great the team and the BR1 Dallara is. Ginetta also didn’t race @ Spa but they’re so far off the pace. Even ByKolles is quicker than they are. But I know they lost track time due to the funding problems but for a team like Manor I expected both cars to be dialed in a lot quicker than this.

    • Matt

      June 14, 2018 at 6:45 pm

      Crap car and crap engine. The Ginettas were never going to go well, nothing they’ve ever designed has, and the Mechachrome unit is trash even in F2.

      • JG

        June 15, 2018 at 12:09 am

        Well the G57 LMP2 is at least the equal of the Oreca LMP2, and has a lot of race wins to prove it. It’s a hell of a lot better looking too. A shame they picked Oreca over Ginetta for the LMP-2 constructor slot.

  9. toyotafanssuckasbadasgmfans

    June 15, 2018 at 6:49 pm

    Boy, the toyotafangirls are about as bad as the gmfanboyz.

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