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Ford, Ferrari Exit 2020 ‘Hypercar’ Talks

Ford, Ferrari exit FIA/ACO’s ‘Hypercar’ technical working group meetings…

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Ford and Ferrari are among the manufacturers no longer attending the meetings to shape the FIA and ACO’s proposed ‘Hypercar’ regulations, which are due to come into force in the 2020-21 World Endurance Championship.

Sportscar365 has learned that both automakers, along with Porsche, which were among the half-dozen manufacturers in roundtable discussions prior to the ACO’s announcement of the platform at Le Mans in June, have been absent from recent technical working group meetings in Paris.

It’s understood up to 15 invites were sent to manufacturers, constructors and suppliers, with active involvement from only Toyota and Aston Martin on the OEM front and McLaren represented by an employee from McLaren Applied Technologies.

Representatives from leading prototype constructors ORECA and Onroak Automotive, however, have also been present, along with engine supplier Gibson.

While attendance is not mandatory, manufacturers that do not participate in the meetings are unable to provide direct input into the shape of the regulations, and have historically not taken up programs.

Ford Performance global motorsports director Mark Rushbrook acknowledged its absence from meetings but said they are still monitoring developments from afar.

It comes amid speculation that Ford has already internally committed to a DPi program for as early as 2019.

“We’re still following the process to see where it goes,” Rushbrook told Sportscar365.

“We’ve established what our principles are that would interest us in that series or not and we’re following along to see where it ends up.”

Rushbrook indicated that Ford will not enter the yet-to-be-named top prototype class in the WEC unless the same platform is utilized in the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship, which is due for a regulations refresh in 2022.

“Our principles are that it’s got to be global, meaning the same set of rules exist in WEC and IMSA, it’s got to be affordable and it’s got to be relevant,” he said.

A rift with the ACO stemming from the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which saw the Ferrari 488 GTEs struggle in GTE-Pro following multiple class-wide balance of performance adjustments, is believed to have contributed to the Italian manufacturer’s departure from the talks.

Atherton: “Nothing’s Changed” on IMSA’s Position

IMSA President Scott Atherton says they remain committed to “seeing this process through” with the FIA and ACO before coming to a final decision on the potential adoption of the Hypercar regs. 

The proposed budgets, in the €25-30 million ($30-35 million) range, is the “biggest hurdle” for IMSA, according to Atherton, who confirmed that Simon Hodgson, its VP of competition, was in the initial TWG meeting last month.

“Nothing’s changed from our perspective coming out of the announcements at Le Mans in that we’re committed to seeing this process through,” Atherton told Sportscar365.

“The goal right now is to be aligned in this global platform which is coming at you full speed… It’s a full commitment on our part to see this through, and I think our voice in the room is valid.”

Atherton said a decision will likely be taken during the finalization of the regulations, which are due to be presented to the FIA World Motor Sport Council for approval in early December. 

It’s understood the next meeting is set for later this month.

John Dagys is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of Sportscar365 as well as the recently launched e-racing365 Web site for electric racing. Dagys spent eight years as a motorsports correspondent for FOXSports.com/SPEED Channel, and contributes to other publications worldwide. Contact John

67 Comments

67 Comments

  1. Dave

    August 6, 2018 at 9:48 am

    I think DPi is going to win the day. There are not a lot of marques lining up to spend $30MM to compete in an untested class against as-of-yet to be names opponents. DPi works – it offers manufacturers a way to have overall wins at Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring and all of the others, it provides for a top class that can feature bespoke technology in aero, engines, and suspension, and it can be done for a lot less money. Maybe even allowing for the addition of a push to pass electric drive in the future.

    Aston and Mclaren are barely beyond being race car constructors and not as stable as Ford or Porsche. i.e. they do not have F-150s and Cayennes to fund their racing. If the big boys are out, Hypercar is dead before it even ran a test lap.

    • Michal Baranowski

      August 6, 2018 at 10:04 am

      Since when DPi is allowed at Le Mans?

      • Dave

        August 6, 2018 at 10:18 am

        They are not – yet. The WEC keeps proposing new regs only to have to scrap them for lack of interest. DPi works – as a bridge if nothing else. It allows teams the time to get a car up and running for the next season because they start with a common base. No one is going to be able to create a car from scratch and have it ready to race in 2019 – certainly not a “Hypercar”. I’m not sure how anyone thought the hypercar class could field a grid of 5 or 6 (or even 2) cars in what amounted to a year and a half from the announcement of the regs at Le Mans. It would have been the equivalent of a space race to make that happen and there is just no desire from manufacturers to do that.

        • AudiTT

          August 6, 2018 at 10:44 am

          The ‘Hypercar’ regs will begin in the 20/21 season. There will be another two 24hrs of Le Mans before the new regs come into force.

          Building such a car is no different from an LMP1, LMP2 or DPI. The ‘Hypercar’ monicker is because the cars will look more like road going supercars vs DPI’ nosejobs.

          All constructors currently involved in LMP1/LMP2 will be involved in GTP such as Oreca, Onroak, Dallara, Gibson and Ginetta. Contrary to what the article states many new OEM’s and constructors come forward once regulations are published. That will be in December – a full two years before the cars will hit the track – and two and a half years before the first Le Mans.

    • getaclue

      August 6, 2018 at 6:31 pm

      I don’t see manufacturers lining up to get into DPi and regardless of your subsequent post, DPis STILL CANNOT run at LeMans.

      • Andy Flinn

        August 6, 2018 at 9:48 pm

        Getaclue, so far who has committed to racing a WEC hypercar?

        By the way, the WEC won’t be racing in the 2019 IMSA 12 Hours of Sebring.

        Instead, the WEC Sebring event will be a support race on Friday.

  2. Tim Lawrence

    August 6, 2018 at 9:53 am

    Based on the close racing across all classes, workable budgets, world-class drivers and overall excellent show from IMSA, why would anyone want to go “Hypercar”?

    • CookieMonsterFL

      August 6, 2018 at 10:15 am

      Because they are removing the ‘excellent show’ starting next year. Budget overruns will be a ting until 2020 in IMSA guaranteed.

      • Dave

        August 6, 2018 at 5:49 pm

        It’s all relative, if your alternative to going over in DPi is a $30MM starting budget in the WEC, most will pick DPi.

        • Larry

          August 6, 2018 at 6:37 pm

          Yet Dave, they aren’t picking DPi.

          Where are all those teams?

          Like I said, NASCAR is taking lessons from FIA. FIA makes promises to gain more P1 non-hybrids and then reneges and the P1 field is dwindling already.

          The P2/DPi split is going to do the same thing in NASCAR.

          I was prepared to acknowledge this bunch as IMSA but after that, back to being NASCAR. The stupidity level is the same as NASCAR, same people.

          • I can google the past

            August 7, 2018 at 6:41 pm

            Who, given the choice, has picked the WEC offering versus DPi? It was only a little over a year ago that the FIA announced new regs that would feature hybrid cars that would have to run full lap at race pace on electric drive only starting in 2019 after the super season. There were debates like this one where the torches and pitchforks came out and ICE fans were called out as neanderthals for not embracing the benevolent hybrid future. Then in September, less than a year ago, the WEC says, ummmm, well….akward… Porsche’s out, and, uh, no one else came to the party so….we’re gonna scrap that set of rules. But!… but we’ll make P1 constructors EoT’d to the sole remaining P1 HY entrant and they can compete in the top class for overall wins! So, c’mon back P1 constructors. We don’t know what Toyota said for sure, but based on the actions of the FIA, Toyota said F that. So we get a super season that features a Toyota parade, that was supposed to buy time to come up with a plan. Now we have a solid – well sorta solid – plan to go forward with Hypercar. Except that’s kind of going over as well as the first idea.

        • Steven

          August 6, 2018 at 7:46 pm

          Correct me if I’m wrong but Isn’t DPi budgets going over $20+million per year?

          Look at how Spirit of Daytona is doing since they went with the Cadillac over the Ligier.

          • Andy Flinn

            August 6, 2018 at 9:43 pm

            Steven, you’re probably wrong. So please provide a link or any kind of evidence that indicates DPis cost that much to operate.

            Also, you conveniently ignore two facts: SOD lost their Visit Florida sponsorship from last year and the Cadillac DPi was wrecked at Sebring.

    • Haskellb

      August 6, 2018 at 10:20 am

      FIA/ACO have a hard-on for hybrid systems. Go find one of the articles about Jean Todt telling the peasants, I mean race fans, that they need to forget about the cars from the 80’s and 90’s when the sport was at its pinnacle and start to embrace the prius-like systems because the FIA tells them to.

      • Robert

        August 6, 2018 at 3:35 pm

        Right on – exactly what I have been saying, and exactly the same verbiage.

        And yes, I think the 80s-90s was the pinnacle of sports and prototype racing. Exciting cars, high degree of technology evolution, and NO gimmicky bs like BoP or P2P. Racing was racing and the fast car/driver/team wins. The biggest rules debate was how to balance turbo and NA engines. And that was simple and straightforward compared to the convoluted machinations designed to fabricate faux “competition”.

        • Slicks in the wet

          August 8, 2018 at 2:09 am

          There’s literally not many things that are better now than the 80s-90s.

          Music. Fashion (screw you, hyper neon parachute pants were cool!). Skateboarding. Rollerblading. Lack of God damn internet. Fun terror of nuclear war (hmm…that hasn’t changed). Tobacco advertising. Pesticide that worked. Everything else, really, was better.

        • Johan Smith

          August 15, 2018 at 3:44 pm

          Yes, but that was 20 years ago and not sustainable. Rose-colored glasses forget a lot of boring races back then, just hoping someone would break down.

    • Larry

      August 6, 2018 at 6:34 pm

      Yeah, the 10 (or 8 when Nissan doesn’t return or 6 when Mazda calls it quits) car fields after the P2 cars leave next year is gonna be real exciting.

      NASCAR is taking lessons from FIA on how to reduce your car counts.

  3. A Sleeper From Pittsburg

    August 6, 2018 at 10:07 am

    So Porsche, McLaren, Ford and Ferrari are out.Hypercar set of rules was born dead, simple as that.

    • AudiTT

      August 6, 2018 at 11:01 am

      That’s not how Working Groups or interest in said regulations work.

      Clearly there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what a working group consists of and how that has little relation to cars on the grid.

      • A Illiterate From Pittsburg

        August 6, 2018 at 1:31 pm

        Really, Mister Know-It-All? So, feel free to explain for us, this illiterate set of digital names, how a working group works.

        • AudiTT

          August 6, 2018 at 4:09 pm

          It’s a talking shop for anyone who’ll step forward. Be it OEM’s, chassis builders, engine builders, promoters. You name it. Most interested parties are either observers or occasional participants.

          Actual regulations will only be submitted to the FIA in 5 months time. The regulations only take effect in 2.5 years time, IMSA’s regulation change only comes into effect in 2022. And these GTP regulations will run to at least 2025.

          The earliest we’ll have any solid indications for prospective entries into the new GTP class will be Le Mans 2019. Which would still be a full 1.5 years before the cars compete.

  4. sukmykok

    August 6, 2018 at 10:15 am

    this class was DOA…

  5. Change it up

    August 6, 2018 at 10:36 am

    no more having to worry about having an average of offered cars to the public be at 50 mpg’s by 2025. Wonder if that played a role?

  6. B

    August 6, 2018 at 10:55 am

    Don’t drink the Coolaid IMSA!

    • TF110

      August 6, 2018 at 11:44 am

      But imsa already uses aco/fia cars. GTE=GTLM. DPi=lmp2 chassis. Even GTD=GT3. Without that kool-aid imsa would be running DP’s and antiquated GT4’s.

      • Mo

        August 6, 2018 at 12:15 pm

        The expensive hyper-car cool aid.

      • Andy Flinn

        August 6, 2018 at 9:57 pm

        TF110, The ACO and WEC do not use GT3 cars, and the Oreca class-dominating, spec-Gibson engined, Pro-Am mandated WEC LMP2 class is a far cry from DPi.

        I noticed you didn’t mention LMP1, which will be dead after 2019.

        • KLM

          August 7, 2018 at 8:12 am

          GT3 cars compete in the ACO’s Road to Le Mans series and Asian LMS. It’s an FIA class anyone can use.

          A DPI is 90% LMP2..

          LMP1 will continue into 2020/21 as a grandfathered class. So another 3 seasons. GTP will be the LMP1 replacement.

  7. Tyler Sanders

    August 6, 2018 at 12:23 pm

    I really don’t like this proposed hypercar rules.

  8. daedalus

    August 6, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    The ACO are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They need GTP to attract manufactures with road car relevance but if they look too much like road cars it will kill off GTE. A DPI based LMP1 with an off the shelf cost capped hybrid system would work but the ACO have too much pride to adopt a non ACO format, ditto GT3 replacing GTE.

  9. Blaneysellstrashbags@Ring24

    August 6, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    Would Porsche ever design and race a DPi car?

    • Trevor

      August 6, 2018 at 2:05 pm

      If Porsche were to field a DPi car, it would all but guarantee the adoption of DPi by the ACO.

      • Blaneysellstrashbags@Ring24

        August 7, 2018 at 9:27 am

        Exactly what I was thinking.

    • Haskellb

      August 6, 2018 at 3:00 pm

      Back in the day, they fielded the old tube frame Daytona Prototypes.

      • Andy Flinn

        August 6, 2018 at 10:10 pm

        A Porsche-engined March won the 24 Hours of Daytona in 1984.

        Al Holbert won the 1983 IMSA GTP championship with the SAME car.

        Gianpiero Moretti and Red Lobster Racing campaigned Porsche-powered March cars as well.

        Porsche engines also found their way into Lola T-600s (Bruce Leven/Bayside Disposal).

        Roy Smith recently published a book about these and other Porsche prototypes.

    • Dave

      August 6, 2018 at 3:15 pm

      Porsche has run them as have most others – remember the Riley prototypes? They were cool, but ran their course. Porsche also made a pretty cool P2 car as well.

    • 919 uber

      August 7, 2018 at 5:08 am

      I don’t think Porsche feels it has anything left to prove in prototype sports cars, at least for the time being. Maybe when it wants to get #20, but DPi will be a distant memory by then.

      It still races in GT, but that’s to help sell 911 race cars to other teams, and 911 road cars to enthusiasts.

      The 919 program was essentially to remind everyone who’s boss at Le Mans, and how it can still win an international championship, with a program built from scratch.

      Audi got the first one while Porsche shook off the rust in 2014, but another two, plus a gift from Toyota made is 3/4 for the 919. Why continue to spend $200M/year when you’ve already dispatched everyone, and have a new electric Taycan to promote in FE?

      Even now, the 919 has been unshackled in Evo form and is on a track-record breaking victory tour to put the cherry on top.

      What’s to be gained from running a modified spec P2 car and having to battle IMSA’s BoPolitics after every race? Sales are already breaking records, and most of those are Macan SUVs whose probably spend their weekends not watching racing.

      • Mo

        August 7, 2018 at 8:31 am

        You could say the same thing about 911 racing. What’s to be gained from all the Porsche 911 racing be it GTE/GTLM, GT3, Cup, GT4. It’s Porsche- that’s what they do. So, a Porsche DPi would be in line with what they do— race!

        • 919 Uber

          August 7, 2018 at 6:29 pm

          They are racers, no doubt.

          But they are as businessman as well, and like I said above, selling 911 race cars and supporting them is good business.

          The 919/R18/TS050 and the like are too complex to ever be customer cars, and IMSA hasn’t shown the balls to force the OEMs to make customer DPis, so P is a marketing exercise rather than a business, whether it’s $200M/year, $20M/year or whatever a DPi program truly costs, and that ROI isn’t there.

  10. Bert

    August 6, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    The aco/fia remind me alot of the hulmangeorage family always changing the rulres to satisfy their series if i was imsa i would tell them to go to hell and run their own series and having nothing to do with the aco and the fia , the imsa series is better off on their own instead of trying to please the fia, just indycar should have stayed cart instead of going along with tony george . The old saying goes if the french dont win lemans then the french change the rules. Fia/aco kiss my ass, long live imsa.

    • AudiTT

      August 6, 2018 at 3:28 pm

      One slight problem.

      Every class in IMSA uses ACO/FIA regulations. Including DPI which is 90% LMP2 and IMSA’s junior category which uses LMP3, GT4 and TCR.

      • Tyler Sanders

        August 6, 2018 at 4:19 pm

        Do you think Bert is smart enough to know that?

      • Mo

        August 6, 2018 at 5:58 pm

        GT4 and TCR? Are you sure about that?

        • Andy Flinn

          August 6, 2018 at 10:14 pm

          Mo, I think you are right. I believe those belong to the SRO.

  11. Chase

    August 6, 2018 at 3:23 pm

    They need put these “hypercar” regulations on hold. Hybrid systems are the future but they are not developed enough today to be affordable and still reliable. They need to swallow the pill that they will be dealing with non-hybrids for a while. Fans would rather see loud; gas guzzling racecars from multiple manufacturers than efficient; faster hybrids from only a couple manufacturers.

    • hellothere

      August 6, 2018 at 4:26 pm

      Amen brother!!

      • AudiTT

        August 7, 2018 at 2:50 pm

        Even the BTCC will have hybrids in 2021/22. It will be a standard feature and certainly included in the next gen DPI.

        These new GTP regs will continue into 2025.

      • AudiTT

        August 7, 2018 at 2:53 pm

        Even the BTCC will have hybrids in 2021/22.

        These new GTP regs will be upto 2025. By that time you’ll struggle to find a car on the road that’s not hybrid or full electric.

  12. Steven

    August 6, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Unless Ferrari abandon their F1 program. They will never race in any other top level category.

    • edward

      August 6, 2018 at 6:45 pm

      You’re right, but Af corse is searching something to replace the gte effort due to bad bop results and porsche mafia. So they are evaluating various programs. Another Story, Marchionne wanted to promote alfa romeo outside f1, but now is gone so..

    • Andy Flinn

      August 6, 2018 at 10:20 pm

      Steven, good luck with that.

      Ferrari’s primary legacy is Grand-Prix racing.

      I don’t believe Enzo Ferrari ever attended Le Mans.

      I know he wasn’t jazzed about the Ferrari-engined Martini Lancia LC2s from the Group C era.

    • 919 Uber

      August 7, 2018 at 6:44 pm

      So the 333SP was an illusion? Or did Ferrari sit out F1 for the latter half of the 90s?

      F1 may be Ferrari’s constant, but other classes shouldn’t be categorically ruled out, especially with the regime change at FCA.

      An ex-Marlboro exec has been put in charge of F1, so it is safe, but how the Jeep guy now running the show feels about racing has yet to be known.

      Ferrari has in the past also promised to never make more than 3500 cars/year, or an SUV, and well…

  13. John

    August 6, 2018 at 6:17 pm

    Maybe the FIA/ACO just needs to break off their relationship with Toyota, and move on with their life.

    I actually have nothing against hybrids, but they seem to be a big sticking point with more than a few folks, and if they’re the hurdle that needs to be cleared on the path to harmonization between WEC and IMSA, then the sacrifice needs to be made. I’d trade Toyota for Ford, Ferrari, McLaren, Mazda, etc.

    But, if the FIA wants to keep the girlfriend all of it friends hate, then there will be plenty of couple alone time.

    Is running alone, with thin victories to showcase your technology really that much better than battling with your peers in a simpler formula that makes no difference to the general public? There are probably better, cheaper ways to promote your technology.

    Conversely, Toyota could do a great service to sports car racing by encouraging the FIA to follow that path to harmony. Or, with one, and like two LM24 victories in hand, it could just depart after 2018/19 and leave a mess behind. It wouldn’t be the first OEM to do so.

    • AudiTT

      August 7, 2018 at 2:56 pm

      I seriously doubt there will be any OEM racing anything thats not hybrid or electric by 2025.

      It’s 2018. These regs will only be submitted in December and hit the track in 2 years time.

      • LivingInADinoFueledWorld

        August 7, 2018 at 4:14 pm

        I am still waiting for the electric car future I was promised 40 years ago. True, there are a very small, but growing percentage of cars sold today that are either Hybrid or electric, but without governments incenting – or worse, mandating – the purchase of these vehicles, the numbers would be even smaller. We are in a hype-bubble right now regarding electric vehicles driven largely by one manufacturer. What is an even darker side to new and rapidly evolving tech is the used market. Can I interest you in a used BMW i3 or Nissan Leaf?

  14. You don't matter

    August 6, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    This isn’t really all that significant of news.They might change their minds or there may be more interest from some other manufacturers. It’s my understanding that DPi is going to incorporate a hybrid system in the 2021 timeframe anyway, Scott Atherton said there’s already strong interest in a cost effective hybrid system from the manufacturers point of view going forward. To all who hate hybrids in motorsports, it’s coming whether you like it or not.

  15. Joseph

    August 6, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    FIA/ACO should put their ego aside before is too late and they need to stop pleasing all Toyota’s demands. NEVER GO FULL HYPERCAR!!!

  16. Robert

    August 7, 2018 at 12:42 am

    A hypercar class seems pointless. It seems to me that they need to get the rules better sorted for the other classes before trying to create something new. After all, hybrids was already a swing and a miss and they need to clean up that mess first (like ditch it altogether). If I were making the rules. I’d use something more DPi like. This looks to work a lot like the old IMSA GTP back in the days of the 962. (As was pointed out elsewhere, the heyday of sports and prototype racing.) It seems like prototype rules needs to coalesce behind a single rule set that allows for a globally legal and competitive car. I think that would help bring down costs and fill out grids.

    As for hypercar, I don’t know. On the face of it, I suppose it makes sense for cars like the Pagani Zonda R, Koenigsegg, McLaren P1 (or successor), Brabham BT62, etc. to have a place to play. Heck, the old GT1 class with cars like the McLaren F1 and Mercedes CLK GTR was some pretty good racing. That would be pretty cool to have something like that again. But then I’m not sure the resulting class will be any good.

    • AudiTT

      August 7, 2018 at 2:59 pm

      The ‘hypercar’ class isn’t for road going models. It’s for prototypes that resemble road going cars.

      It’s not unlike DPI. Only rather than taking a P2 and giving it a nose job, these will look more like the Glickenhaus or a Super GT car.

  17. Davy

    August 7, 2018 at 12:59 am

    The ACO needs to realize that sportscar racing is, and always will be, a very niche discipline. Budgets in the 30 million range, let alone the 100 million range are not sustainable. If you want healthy fields it will be by giving privateers a good chance at winning. You shouldn’t need to spend millions to compete in a 24 hr race!

  18. JOHN Cray

    August 7, 2018 at 3:26 am

    After 50+ years following international endurance racing as an old fashioned race fan I see sad parallels between recent developments here and the worst moments for the WEC in the past. And the common denominator is the FIA, as evidenced by sporadic but endlessly imperious statements from Paris over the years. The worst of the offenders [in my view] have been Balestre and now Todt. Balestre came close to screwing Le Mans for good and Todt is doing likewise for the prospects of a common LM/GTP/1 category. I don’t blame IMSA for being either protective or cautious in the circumstances but I also don’t see IMSA or FIA/WEC winning many, or perhaps any new race fans or OEMs out of this farrago.

    I know less about racing in the US than in Europe but it’s looking like IMSA’s latest edict whilst beneficial for the excitement level of current DP1 ‘racing’ is going to reduce the number of top level LMP2s without any guarantee of increasing DPi numbers until either Ford or Nissan come out to play in two or more years. I love the sight and sound of the Caddys but a field full wouldn’t represent progress if I were a US race fan? I’m always impressed by the enthusiasm, knowledge and [even] the outspoken views of many US fans so I hope you get what you want, but I’m not sure IMSA has any better grip on the way forward than the FIA WEC does………….but good luck anyway.

    In WEC I suspect we’re going to see the current LMP1 mix live on into the mid 2020s. The latest revisions to EoT should give the privateer teams a much better chance of success if they start testing and developing for real and there remains scope to further refine EoT if necessary; the changes should also give the P1 teams and engine manufacturers the confidence required to track down additional backing where that is required and, the evident lack of OEM interest in the ‘hypercar’ philosophy should give potential backers a better shot at producing realistic business plans.

    It’s a sad state of affairs to see both IMSA and WEC walking blind folded into 5 or even 7 year business plans based on EOT/BOP but perhaps that’s better than to the lack of alternatives that currently exist in any practical or deliverable sense ? So my penultimate [and I hope not too tedious] point must be that it’s high time the wealthy, apparently clueless, often remote and pompous sounding decision making elite saw the light, sorted their s__t out and genuinely started to broker a joint series deal of some sort for the good of everybody. In no particular order Ford, BMW, Porsche, McLaren, Glickenhaus and Ferrari [and presumably Cadillac, Mazda, Nissan and Acura in the US] have told them what they’re looking for…. all the elitr have to do is see the noses on the front of their faces, employ common sense and lay fair and open ?

    And finally I have to say that the new LMP1 cars are fast and exciting to watch in the WEC, and I daresay US fans would say the same thing about the DPis. Perhaps a simple, cost effective interim joint set of P1/DPi reg’s would do the job for 5 years whilst giving the ruling bodies the time required to sort the complicated mess they’re digging themselves ever deeper into ? 5 years of fast, reliable, lightweight prototypes has an appeal to it ??? #luvaprototype

    Happy if others disagree

    • Dave

      August 7, 2018 at 7:24 am

      John, I like your point about the manufacturers having told the governing bodies what they are after. It made me wonder if the governing bodies are really not listening, or are the manufacturers all in until it’s time to write the check. You would have to think that the latter serves no one’s interest, and the results would seem to indicate the former. So, yes, let’s hope they can get aligned and save racing for a new generation that can recall the R-18 and the 919 as fondly as we recall the GT40 and the 917 (examples, by no means a complete list).

  19. Richard Reeves

    August 7, 2018 at 7:09 am

    I’m amused by the near consensus here that sports car racing peaked in the 80’s and early 90’s. Obviously most of you weren’t around in, or lack the historical knowledge of, the 60’s and 70’s, when you had the likes of factory Ferraris battling Porsches battling Alfas battling Matras and, for a time, factory Fords, most of them piloted by F1 stars. This Golden Age ended beginning with the 1973 season. It was revived a few years ago when the WEC created the LMP1 hybrid class, the most sophisticated race cars so far created, and for an all-too-brief time we had Audi battling Porsche and Toyota. Glorious! The fact that it was short-lived, just like the run of Porsche 917s was short-lived, does not dim the memories or the glory of it, especially when contrasting it with present and past alternatives.

  20. Kurt

    August 10, 2018 at 6:19 am

    Simple thing:
    ACO and IMSA have to agree on one basis, Hyper DPi whatever …

    In Le Mans/WEC: run with hybrid front axle and battery-> it shows more technology
    In the US: go without the hybrid -> cheaper, manufacturers who run in Le Mans already have a car that could run with small modifications in the US

    Then, the manufacturer can decide: cheap basic car for the US or invest more and run in Le Mans. In addition, they have the possibility to race in the US, too.

  21. Info Car

    August 12, 2018 at 11:36 pm

    Glickenhaus, Toyota, McLaren, Aston Martin, (possibly) Koenigsegg.

  22. Info Cat

    August 12, 2018 at 11:53 pm

    Of course Porsche won’t do it. Money from VW Group creating a hypercar would render the program obsolete until the 2040s or 50s, and IF it wins BOTH titles in 2018-19 and 19-20, maybe 2037, 38, or 39. Related to Audi, if it makes hypercars for the road, if and when it will be back it will be back a year before ALL of Porsche’s programs in motorsport entirely. That being said, in motorsport outside FE it will probably continue till 2021 in GT3. then it’s called off forever or until the dates stated earlier.

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