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Elkins: “It’s Very Difficult to Judge BoP Between Two Cars on One Lap”

IMSA’s Scot Elkins defends DP/P2 BoP following Sahlen’s 6H Glen…

Photo: IMSA

Photo: IMSA

IMSA’s Scot Elkins stands by the current Balance of Performance levels between the Daytona Prototype and P2 cars in the wake of last weekend’s Sahlen’s Six Hours of The Glen.

The third round of the Tequila Patron North American Endurance Cup saw the No. 90 Spirit of Daytona Corvette DP of Richard Wesbrook and Michael Valiante take victory following Westbrook’s late-race pass around the then-leading No. 42 OAK Racing Morgan-Nissan of Alex Brundle on the second-to-final restart with 12 minutes to go.

Brundle’s P2 car, which was slightly held up by the lapped No. 9 Action Express Racing Corvette DP, was unable to respond due to its power deficit to the heavier tube-framed prototype. DP cars have won five of the six Prototypes races to date this season.

“I find it interesting the way it seems like everyone wants to judge the BoP on one lap of a six-hour race. I honestly don’t think it’s fair,” Elkins told Sportscar365.

“Even in talking with the OAK Racing guys, their biggest issue and complaint was that the 9 car was in their way. It wasn’t that they absolutely, 100 percent didn’t have a chance on a one-lap shootout; it was that they had other lap-down traffic in their way that was causing a little bit of a problem.”

BoP has been one of the major talking points this season, although Elkins firmly believes they’ve gotten it close, especially given the significant differences between the two platforms.

IMSA’s VP of competition and technical regulations said there was only 0.1 percentage difference in the combined top 20 percent quickest lap times between the No. 90 Corvette DP and No. 42 Morgan-Nissan in the race.

Each car, however, excels in different areas of the track, with the DP reportedly having up to a 9 mph advantage in straight-line speed at Watkins Glen.

“It’s not perfect,” Elkins said. “We’re still looking at apples and oranges here. Nobody had any expectation that it would be perfect. Can we make it a little bit closer? Yeah, of course we can. But I don’t really feel it’s a disaster that some folks are making it out to be.”

Elkins doesn’t anticipate any significant performance adjustments between the two prototype platforms heading into next weekend’s Mobil 1 Sportscar Grand Prix at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park.

Instead, Elkins said a possible BoP change could be on tap within the DP camp, in order to close the performance gap between the Chevy and Ford-powered prototypes.

“I don’t care who you are, the ACO, the FIA or us, we don’t ever do Adjustment of Performance based on one lap [performance]. I just don’t feel like that’s a fair comparison.

“If we base it on the last lap, we’d have a lot of work to do but we have six hours of data to look at it. I don’t know how much we’ll have to change yet.”

Watkins Glen also marked the first full-grid race since the Rolex 24 at Daytona and Twelve Hours of Sebring, which were overshadowed in controversy from a ruling reversal and officiating errors.

Sunday’s race ran without a hitch, with Elkins crediting new procedures and equipment in Race Control for helping make the crucial improvement.

“Everybody in the journalistic world said this was a critical turning point for us and I’d like to think that everybody would agree that we passed the test of having all four classes back together,” he said.

“To get back to having all four classes on track at the same time, I think we’ve been able to give ourselves a little bit of a boost in terms of the races we’ve had with the split classes and work on these new procedures and get everything going so we’re in the position we wanted to be going into Watkins Glen.”

One of the new procedures implemented has been a review process which allows teams to visit Race Control to look over evidence before serving a penalty.

“Our team in Race Control is no different than any of the race teams,” Elkins added. “When you have a good event you feel better and the confidence level goes up and the chemistry between everybody works better and you feel like you’re on a streak.

“Getting through this weekend was definitely one of those, where we’ve got a high level of confidence heading into the next event, feeling very good about the changes and knowing that the things we did made a difference. That makes everybody feel better, whether it’s the staff or our competitors.”

John Dagys is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of Sportscar365 as well as the recently launched e-racing365 Web site for electric racing. Dagys spent eight years as a motorsports correspondent for Channel, and contributes to other publications worldwide. Contact John



  1. louis

    July 1, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    I’m fine with the BoP my issue is that the DP’s are heavier and the drivers of those cars know it! So what do they do? Any time a P2 gets a run the push them right off the track. It happened numerous times at Laguna and happened again atthe 6 hours where going into the boot for the final time. Westy pushed brundle off into the grass when Brundle was well along side. It’s deliberate acts like that, that get me angry and what does IMSA do about that? Nothing!

  2. John

    July 1, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    “I don’t care who you are, the ACO, the FIA or us, we don’t ever do Adjustment of Performance based on one lap [performance].”

    If that one lap can make such a big difference (win/loose), you might just wanna consider to look at it more properly Mr. Elkins.

  3. Issac

    July 1, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    They are two completely different cars who shouldn’t be in the same class. It only takes a DP one or two laps to get tire temp up to operating temp and twice as long for P2 to get them up to temp. The DPs have such a HP advantage they can power away on the straights and they have more torque that lets them power off the corners and monster the starts. It takes a P2 a long time 35 to 45 thanks to all those advantages to just get close to DP and then you have the blocking the DPs love and get away with and this combines to make a P2 victory damn near impossible with out alot of luck. No amount of aero is going to make up for 150+ HP advantage.

    • Kirk

      July 2, 2014 at 8:02 am

      And when push comes to shove, the DP’s are built like tanks and can survive the door handle to door handle beating and banging type of racing NASCAR loves. The more Scott Elkins tries to tell us how great things are the more I think they’re screwed up.

      At the absolute least they should allow the P2 cars to use tire warmers. It won’t help with the speed/torque disparity, but it might help the P2’s get their limited power onto the track during restarts which is when the DP advantage is at its greatest.

  4. Scott

    July 1, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    Obviously he knows there is a problem, otherwise he wouldn’t have felt the need to speak up on the issue.

    I for one am done with TUSC. I’ll follow the WEC instead.

    There was a time when I used to look forward to Petit Le Mans for 364 days of the year. That was a special race that was part of something bigger. Now I don’t even plan to drive the 90 minutes from my house to watch it. I’d rather get on a plane to watch some real racing in the WEC.

  5. Dave

    July 1, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    This is what happens when you put the racing equivalent of a tractor in a sportscar series…

  6. Gabe

    July 1, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    So Mr Elkins, if we are dealing with “apples and oranges” (his words not mine) why in the HELL are you expecting close racing??!!? That makes 0 sense.

    • Doug

      July 2, 2014 at 8:51 am

      Even more important is, if they are “apples and Oranges’ WHY are they in the same class instead of separate ones?

  7. Nuno Rosario

    July 1, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    this sounded kinda like an ultimatum to me,this also proved he does read “our” comments and that he blatanly disrespects our opinion,and that for me is just a huge flaw
    believe me,if by next year there arent any changes to the DP winning streak,someone might just be in a huge pickle
    MR.elkins is making a huge mistake on my end,but hey,i aint the director and apparently our opinions dont matter to him and i quote “I don’t care who you are, the ACO, the FIA or us, we don’t ever do Adjustment of Performance based on one lap [performance]. I just don’t feel like that’s a fair comparison”
    if the man doesnt fear ACO or FIA,he wont change for the main spectator of the races,us the viewers,that made both grand-am and alms big and great (more alms than grand am for me)…but we can also make TUSC small 😉

  8. Travis

    July 1, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    DP advantages:
    1.More HP 150 plus
    2. More Torque,
    3. Tires designed for them which come up to temperature faster in 1 to 2 laps
    4. Massive Aero (thanks to more upgrades last year than in the previous ten) nearly equal to P2
    5. Can block and run cars off and not be touched.

    LMP2 advantages
    1. More aero
    2. Double stint tires (hasn’t helped and with new regs. made virtually pointless).

    A DP can do a 1:40 on lap 2 a P2 cant do it until lap 10. There is a problem mister Elkins when on a restart one car can literally drive by another and the first car can do nothing and has no chance of catching him for ten laps and passing in another ten laps.

  9. RJ

    July 1, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Anyone else think Elkins is going to regret some of those statements?

  10. Schuck

    July 1, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    The defensiveness of Elkins pretty sad, particularly when it is apparent he is speaking to a portion of IMSA’s viewing audience that is unhappy with the product he is promoting. Not the best way to keep the maximum number of eyeballs on the screen and attendance at the track. But I guess we’ll see if the strategy pays off in viewership and team participation down the line.

  11. Nuno Rosario

    July 1, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    ohhh believe me,the “I don’t care who you are, the ACO, the FIA or us, we don’t ever do Adjustment of Performance based on one lap [performance]. I just don’t feel like that’s a fair comparison” statement is gonna bite him in the ass if stuff doesnt get fixed by next year,believe me,infact it seems it is gonna start biting me before the next race weekend

  12. Wayne

    July 1, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Scott Elkins the first man ive ever seen to be able stick his foot in mouth and his head up his ass at the same time, that takes talent.

  13. Christian

    July 1, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Mr. Elkins really needs to go.

  14. P3TROSKI

    July 1, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    In a more ideal world P2 and DP would have just been their own classes. Problem is politics, they weren’t gonna let the DP teams play second fiddle. Now we get an inferior product even though they knew the idea of a combined class is fundamentally flawed. I still support TUSC but man they are making everything more complicated than it needs to be.

  15. AllardJ2X

    July 1, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Scott Elkins doesn’t realize that the BoP for the race needs to be adjusted so that the DP’s don’t simply drive past the P2’s on the straights. Sure the BoP’s are fine for lap times, but not for side by side racing, especially in a series where full-course cautions are a norm. I don’t expect the USCC to be perfect in its first season, but with a noticeable performance gap in race trim between the P2s and the DPs, they need to make “minor adjustments so that the lap times are similar, but their particular strengths and weaknesses are not that noticeable.

  16. Kobe

    July 1, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    I think Scot Elkins will get the Balance of Performance correct eventually. It isn’t as easy as it seems… It takes hard work and smarts to get all of this correct. They will NEVER be 100 percent accurate, but just give them patience race fans. These are the brightest and smartest engineers in the world!

    • MDR

      July 2, 2014 at 11:36 am

      Can’t remember where I read it, but they already admitted at some point that the concepts of these two vehicles are so dissimilar, that they can indeed adjust them very close concerning lap times, but can never get them into a window where they can competively race with each other.

      Not sure what to make of all that and what to expect for the future of the prototype class. I enjoyed the 6 hours, but with that power and grip deficit on restarts, the P2 will always be left with nothing when a late FCY is called out. Otherwise, everything else which was criticised earlier in the season seemed to be rectified…

  17. bernardz

    July 1, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    The DPs are like a pack of school bullies. Brute force wins out but who’s the morale victor?

    Personally I find the fake Corvette bodywork offensive.

    I’d prefer to see all the various chassis that exist under each of those cars, and note that they’re chevy powered.

    I look at the four or more Fake-vettes and yawn to be frank. It’s like Grand-AM wanted to be a one make racing championship by covering up the diversity. Chassis type isn’t even mentioned now.

    the GT Corvette is the real deal.

    The fact there are only a few P2s in the field speaks volumes. Dyson, Muscle Mik and Level 5, the top three ALMS prototype teams all gone.

    The sooner they ditch the DP category and introduce a world prototype class in cahoots with FIA&ACO the better.

    and PLEASE can we not lob stupid ‘lookalike’ bodywork on? thats so nascar and as we’ve seen, one manufacturer throws they’re money around and the field just look the same

  18. Larry

    July 1, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    what’s going to happen when there are NO P2’s racing, right now, I only count 3 from 2 teams.
    Also, wonder how many people are going to show up for Petite LeMans with this stellar field.
    Granted, the GT’s will probably save the day!

    • Kirk

      July 2, 2014 at 8:10 am

      I think the future would be bright P2-wise if outsiders who may want to race them thought the playing field was level. I’m guessing any European teams (or American teams for that matter) who may want to buy a sexy new Ligier or HPD and go TUSC racing are thinking twice about it since they know the way things are right now they’ll be playing second fiddle to the DP’s. No point in spending millions for a P2 race team if you know you’ll never have an opportunity to win.

  19. Anthony

    July 1, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    I think this one lap showed just how apparent the problem is.

    My hats off to the P2 cars that have stuck around.

    My finger is in the air to Mr. Elkins for his brash reply. Reminds me of the black night in Monty Python denying that both his arms have just been chopped off.

  20. schuck

    July 2, 2014 at 12:01 am

    Maybe IMSA should finish the season on drifting tracks to even out the performance. Seriously though, the “incremental” BoP has not worked in race conditions. So Elkins should step up to the plate, take a bigger swing at BoP in favor of the P2’s and see what happens. DPs have enjoyed all the upside this season, albeit at significant expense, but the P2s shouldn’t be penalized for that decision.

  21. Dave

    July 2, 2014 at 12:06 am

    That race on sunday was quite good. It was unfortunate that the 42’s 30 or so second lead, yes I said lead, was wiped out by a full course caution. That’s racing folks. I for one want to see lots of different cars with different advantages and disadvantages. Was it unfair when the Falken team won with superior rain tires at Mid-Ohio a few years back? If you want it to be same across the board and no one car has an advantage over another then I’d suggest watching Indycar.

    • Kirk

      July 2, 2014 at 8:13 am

      It’s one thing when all teams are operating to the same set of rules and one team just performs better. It’s something else completely when there are two different sets of rules for the same class and one ruleset has all the advantages.

  22. Pierre

    July 2, 2014 at 12:22 am

    It takes an LMP2 5 hours to get the lead of the race.

    It took a DP 15 seconds to get the lead.

  23. Matt

    July 2, 2014 at 1:13 am

    I don’t think some of you realize that Elkins was *asked* these questions. He’s not responding to your comments or feeling the need to make a statement. This is someone asking questions as part of reporting.

  24. jc

    July 2, 2014 at 1:16 am

    And yet all of you STILL tune in. You take time to come to online boards to make repetitive statements of outrage “I won’t watch anymore” “management is out of touch” “I won’t buy tickets” etc. after each race, and you all still watch each race. Why?? That is masochistic.

    In all seriousness, you don’t like the product, you don’t like the people in charge, it is summertime on a weekend day so there are dozens of other things to do outside…and here you are helping the series you don’t like by giving it stronger TV ratings or attending in person! And you stir up more attention by talking about it all over the internet. It is absurd. Walk away from it. Hurt the series in the wallet and then things will change. Keep on tuning in, causing a debate on the boards, and it will remain the same.

    Remember, controversy isn’t a negative. People not giving a damn is a negative. Pretty simple concept.

    • Kirk

      July 2, 2014 at 8:17 am

      Easier said than done when many of us have enjoyed sports car racing for 30+ years. I for one won’t give up that easily. This series could be really good – if the powers-that-be could get their heads out of their butts and see what everyone else is seeing. Unfortunately I don’t think NASCAR will let them though.

    • Schuck

      July 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      I’ll agree with you if we are still complaining next year, but so long as IMSA continues to solicit “fan” input in its inception season, by way of surveys and public responses such as this latest Elkins interview, we all have the opportunity to express and hopefully influence the direction of the series (whichever way you lean – DP or P2).

  25. John Price

    July 2, 2014 at 5:17 am

    You go back a year and the P-2’s on the same track were significantly faster than the DP’s but there were only 5 cars at every race. For that matter, even the ALMS GT cars were faster than the DP’s on the same track. But, Grand Am consistently fielded 12 to 16 car DP fields. Even a fool would have understood that it made more sense to bring DP up than to slow P2 down. This is year 1. Get the anti-NASCAR egos out of the way and support this thing while they continue to tweek it towards a unified formula…it isn’t cheap to do this at the prototype level and quite frankly, given the economy, sponsorship money is thin. Patience people. Patience.

    • Fu Manchu

      July 2, 2014 at 6:36 am

      John, while you are making a very valid and rational point (and I completely agree with you), you will never get through to this vocal minority of DP haters around here. It’s well beneath them. Not sophisticated enough for the wanna-be champagne sippers.

      • Kirk

        July 2, 2014 at 8:20 am

        It’s funny how some folks use their real names while others hide like cowards behind the anonymity of fake names when they spew their drivel.

        • Michael A. Turner (Fu Manchu)

          July 2, 2014 at 8:14 pm

          Oh alright, internet tough guy. That better for you? You’re the one spewing drivel about NASCAR conspiracy theories with your fellow P2 fanboys.

          But watch out for this guy! He’s not hiding behind the internet, cause he calls himself “Kirk,” and that makes himself “not” anonymous. F’ing brilliant thinking buddy.

      • Vance

        July 2, 2014 at 8:37 am

        It’s not a minority that hates the dp

        • Fu Manchu

          July 2, 2014 at 8:17 pm

          Whatever you have to tell yourself Vance.

          • Jack

            July 3, 2014 at 10:59 am

            the minority is the people who support it, like the paid by chevy and ford fox announcers, most people don’t really care about the prototypes at all, i do, but most people only care about what they can see on the street, people who do like prototypes usually arnt fans of a car that isn’t designed for speed, a dp was designed for cheap use and low grip and downforce so it would create a better show. until 2014 i did not consider them a prototype, because it was a nascar version on the group c cars, now, the car actually is a prototype, different engines and different bodywork that is actually making the car faster, so now it is a prototype, but because of its past people think its a slow shit box that that is designed by nascar, and that opinion might not change.

          • Fu Manchu

            July 3, 2014 at 12:40 pm

            So… I’d love to know where you get the impression most are against the DP. From what I’ve seen, besides on social media, most aren’t emotionally invested in DP hate, and take the racing for face value, which has been pretty decent. Of course I notice the DP hate out there, but I’m smart enough to know that typically the ones who are unhappy, are going to be the loudest, whether on social media or wherever.

            Oh, and the Fox announcers are paid by Chevy and Ford? Can you tell me more about that? Sounds intriguing.

      • GT3RACER

        July 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm

        “Wanna be champagne sippers”…Really? That’s your view of fans or series participants like myself who aspire to excellence in technology and competition? So, by that rationale the fans of DP’s and NASCAR/IMSA 1950’s based engineering are “moonshine sippers”? Your unsophisticated worldview and myopic approach indicate that the TUSC series is custom made for you and Scot Elkins is just the man to run it. Soon enough they will add ovals so you and your lobotomized mind can really enjoy the show…Hey y’all, they run in a circle real fast and crash into each other, YEEEEEEEEE-HAH!!!

        • Fu Manchu

          July 2, 2014 at 9:44 pm

          Ease off the melodramatics, guy. Why so defensive?

          The main point I have been TRYING to make (unsuccessfully due to the closed-minded P2 fanboys), if you have followed along, is that despite the issues we have seen this season, and the fact that it has become clear the two cars likely cannot run together, there has been some great racing this year in the Prototype class.

          Yet, it’s the same broken record from you people who refuse to acknowledge the DP as a legitimate race car. It has become obvious to me, you look down your nose at it. Those of us who do accept it and, heaven forbid, actually enjoyed the Grand-Am series as much as ALMS, well, we MUST be NASCAR fans too, right?

          No proper sports car racing owner, driver, crew, etc., should be bringing that “old” technology to our highly-sophisticated, dignified form of motorsports, right? Is that the idea? If so, then the champagne sipper label fits to a tee. I predicted I would get labeled a “DP guy” even though I enjoy all types of sports car racing. This group here is so predictable, it’s funny!

          And again, IF you followed along, I have long made the point that I enjoyed both series, and have enjoyed this year as well, even with the missteps (they are in their first year, and they were trying to make the best of the merger). You won’t allow yourself to enjoy some good racing due to the fact that you hate the DP. If you don’t understand their logic in not wanting a repeat of the Pickett team doing laps for a win last year in ALMS’ top class, then I’d say that’s pretty irrational and certainly not objective. But it’s clear the P2 Complain Brigade is quite irrational, and anything but objective.

          But you go on with NASCAR this, NASCAR that… Yep, the DP is just another NASCAR. Sure thing. I don’t particularly enjoy NASCAR, but why would I look down my nose at those who do? You just showed your ass by demonstrating that you’d rather watch a shiny, fancy-looking car doing laps with no competition than actual sports car racing. Is that what distinguishes a proper sports car racing fan from those lobotomized NASCAR cousin-lovers?

          BTW, Mr. still-anonymous Kirk, or anyone else, no one ever wants to address how poor the Prototype racing was in ALMS last year. Problem is, if you come to terms with the fact that it was not good, you would have to come to terms with why IMSA tried what it did with the Prototype merger. Whether you like the results or not, not sure how you can fault them for trying, and in a small window of time to pull it off. But again, I don’t expect objectivity from most of this crowd of DP haters.

          • Kirk

            July 3, 2014 at 8:15 am

            “anonymous Kirk”? I don’t know what other name to use besides my God given one. You oughta try it.

            You mention there’s been great racing – and I agree as long as you’re driving a DP. If you’re driving a P2 car you can’t pass when a DP is holding you up, you can’t restart the race because the DP’s drive off into the distance, etc. So you end up seeing frustrated P2 drivers trying banzai moves in places they shouldn’t be trying to pass in order to move up. It’s just not proper racing.

            Let’s face it, the DP + P2 experiment was a noble goal but the two different types of cars simply don’t race well together. Lap times can be made as equal as humanly possible, but equal lap times doesn’t necessarily equate to quality racing. On their own DP’s race well together and on their own P2’s can do the same, but putting them together just isn’t working.

          • Fu Manchu

            July 3, 2014 at 11:52 am

            Well Kirk, you’re the one who made the ridiculous assertion that I’m a coward by not using my name. Yet, I guess you are somehow less anonymous by using the name Kirk? As if we now know who you are. Great job dude. That’s super logic right there. And I ought to try it? I gave my full name above. Did you miss that while you are too caught up in your fake internet tough guy routine?

            Outside of all that, the rest of your post was probably one of the more rational posts I’ve seen from one of you DP haters and I more-or-less agree, other than the “proper” racing part. Was the ALMS P classes last year “proper” racing? You know as well as I do it wasn’t. So from that perspective, what’s more proper?

            Since I don’t have an axe to grind with DPs, I have enjoyed the season for the most part. And as I’ve said many times, I know there have been missteps and, in hindsight, there may just be no way to get the two types of prototypes to race together equally, but they tried, and I get why they did it the way they did. I don’t buy into this NASCAR conspiracy.

            I haven’t let the issues keep me from enjoying the season, just like past seasons. What gets old is this over-the-top DP hate. But, I’m more and more coming to the realization that why should I care? If you DP haters stop attending, or watching, I doubt it will matter, regardless of what you try to tell yourself. If you doubt it, then lets find out. All you DP haters stop coming and we’ll see, cause I’m tired of the negativity.

            It’s actually pretty F’ing pathetic that Westie gets his first win this season, and it’s tainted by a bunch of negativity from sports car racing “fans” just because of the type of car he’s driving, and the snobbish attitude toward the DP. As a sport car racing guy, the attitude of many of our fans is embarrasing.

    • Doug

      July 2, 2014 at 8:58 am

      12-16 cars because they were far cheaper and subsidized.

      You want to know why there aren’t as many DP cars in the field as before? It’s in large part because their ratings sucked and the merger inflicted $250K++ on DP car upgrades.

      I’m an old ALMS fan and even I THINK that was downright criminal. They could of made them faster than GTLM by only spending half of that. Inflicting that bill on the DP owners meant that only the big teams and factory sponsored squads could afford take their DP’s forward.

      There are LOTS of P2 teams over the world that probably would of considered racing this year in the combined series, but because the BoP was unknown for SO LONG and it became obvious with the $250K in upgrades that the series had decided that DP was going to fight over overall wins, come hell or high water (it would of been better to make then a secondary class to P2), what we have are a P class with rich DP owners and decimated P2 category that can’t grow if overseas teams don’t think they can win.

  26. Jason

    July 2, 2014 at 6:18 am

    I wonder if Mr Elkins wants to buy my Petit LeMans ticket as the only reason for going now is the GTLM class.

    • Tom

      July 2, 2014 at 7:17 am

      Dave, your analogy is poor. I did not ask for these cars to be put into the same class. TUSC said they should be in the same class and now are saying it’s apple’s and oranges. Falken won with a superior product that they developed. The DP won on Sunday due to rules not a superior product.

      JC, sportscar racing has been a part of my life for over 30 years as a fan and volunteer. I for one am mourning the loss of quality. This is manufactured. A NASCAR spokesperson once commented about his series that is was not racing it was entertainment. I don’t want to be entertained, I want a race. Brundle put it best when he commented that there was no skill involved in the pass that was made for the lead.
      Yes, I am hurting them in the wallet (no renewal of PLM reserved spot or tickets this year). Sebring reserved spot is on the chopping block next. However, if I don’t express why I am not going, then TUSC will never know. So, I will continue to monitor the series and post my opinion.

      • Kirk

        July 2, 2014 at 8:23 am

        Well said. If the TUSC doesn’t know why the fans are leaving in droves they won’t be able to make corrections. I’m like you in that I’ve gone to Petit for years but won’t be bothering this year.

      • Skulker

        July 2, 2014 at 8:35 am

        Comical: It was the 90’s turn to win! Clearly, they were frustrated and hadn’t won yet, so the natural thing to do is clear the way for them….they are the ‘Spirit of Daytona’.

        On a more serious note: Elkins works for nascar, period. Now, anyone who watched the last 2 restarts can see it’s really not fair. I understand that the cars are not designed the same, Brundle said best “Dragster vs sprint car”. This is likely the best it’s gonna get. As soon as they make the P2’s faster per lap, DP owners will complain. We’re going to see more of this disappointment and until they get rid of one of the 2, it can never be equal.

        Either that or each race a new winner is handed the trophy based on how much money they throw nascar! 🙂 T-ball, everyone wins!

    • Gilfoyle

      July 2, 2014 at 9:16 am

      Yes, Jason, we know. You don’t have to post the same GTLM ROOLZ ERRYTHANG ELSE DROOLZ comments on every website and forum.

      • jason

        July 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm

        Hey gilfoyle, there are more than one Jason in the world. I’m from the UK and it’s not me posting those comments about gtlm. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t agree with them though.

  27. Vance

    July 2, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I’m wondering if things will change when a top owner like Andretti comes in. Let’s face it. All the DP owners were getting paid to stay in the series.
    But a second major owner (Ganassi bring the first) may force TUSCC to listen more to the P2 cars rather than the band of unsponsored cars that need to go away

    • Doug

      July 2, 2014 at 10:57 am

      Actually, the car upgrade costs to DP mean just the opposite. The paid to be the top car.

      • Vance

        July 2, 2014 at 11:46 am

        Yes but as a series are you going to screw over Andretti for the Action Express cars? Not bloody likely

        • Travis

          July 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm

          Andretti is a maybe at this point If Action express is Chevy powered and Andretti is Honda powered they very well could screw them its all about American muscle even if HPD is based in California.

  28. Mike Cole

    July 2, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Not only is P class BOP crap, look at GTLM! As Fisachella said the Balance of Performance is out of whack for Ferrari & Porche. seems the premier classes P & GTLM are loaded for US iron!! Must be driving them crazy on how to BOP THE Viper to dominate GTD!!!
    Want to buy cheap Mosport tickests?

  29. JohnRamella

    July 2, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Folks use the term “DP” loosely. I see no advantage the Ford DP has over the P2 cars – if anything they are at a disadvantage.

    Why isn’t everyone in love w/ the Corvette DP?? GM factory drivers… GM power… Let me guess – if these were the GTLM cars people *would* love them.

    These cars were called proto-turtles. Now they are too fast. ROFLMAO.

    Can’t have it both ways.

    • Travis

      July 2, 2014 at 12:35 pm

      Who won Sebring and Long beach that was ford. The past two races the fords keep having problems turbo failure or clutch failure. Reliability is fords issue. People like the C7Rs because they are actual corvettes.The DPs got more upgrades at the end of last year than have had in ten years last year they wouldn’t have been able to keep ahead of a PC car.

      • Jack

        July 3, 2014 at 11:05 am

        ford won sebring on pure luck

  30. LM mike

    July 2, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    I know that this is off topic but something needs to happen to the PC class. I watched the whole 6 hours and PC cars was all over the place. Interfering with GTLM and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The last two full course caution, contact involving PC cars. Erasing any chance of victory for the 42 oak racing.

  31. Helmut

    July 3, 2014 at 9:35 am

    It’s really funny to see how people go crazy about good old ALMS. Actually it was a dying series since 2009. In that year there were five LMP1 and two LMP2 at maximum. In 2010 we saw a combined LMP class with six prototypes at best. In 2011 four races went without a single LMP2, and we had two to five LMP1. One year later three LMP1 and four LMP2. In 2013 three LMP1, including the DeltaWing. Maybe there was a nice competition at the top, but I really don’t care that much about races between a handful of cars only. And well, yes, we had Audi, Peugeot, … at Sebring and Petit Le Mans, but you cannot regard them as regular starters. It was clear that they would completely withdraw at some point with an own series established (with GrandAm and ALMS merged the entry field is too large to race together with teams from WEC anyway). So even if ALMS had not merged they would have had to throw together the prototypes into a single class again, which has already led to conflicts in the past.

    Yes, it was no good idea to collapse DP and LMP2 into a single class. But did they have any alternatives? DP as the second-best class? Forget about it. In contrast to the LMP classes (see above) the DP class was very healthy in 2013 with 16 cars. The problem was that by giving upgrades to the DP the costs increased and DP teams withdraw. The LMP2 entries remained limited and due to the lack of balance, some of them quit. This is painful, but at the same time it solves the problem. If there are no LMP2 left DP can go on racing.

    The future will tell us whether NASCAR and FIA/ACO agree on a new LMP2 format. In the end it’s not really necessary anyway, as several of the previous ALMS winners who had received an automatic entry for Le Mans never ever showed up there. So it doesn’t matter whether they run with incompatible DP or compatible LMPs. The current LMP2 are certainly too expensive, and in my opinion much too much aerodynamics (leaving aside they are the ugliest LMP we’ve seen since the 90ies). That’s why ACO invented the LMPC class to increase entry fields. This leads to a lot of confusion, we have LMPC and LMP2 in the “local” series, and LMP2 in the WEC, but then there’s also the LMP1-L – with ONE serious team = Rebellion at the moment. Great…

    So for the TUSC, probably they have to go with their own top-class plus two GT categories. And throw out the PC/future LMP3.

    • Jack

      July 3, 2014 at 11:06 am

      well, if the alms subsidized its owners the numbers would have been higher.

      • George 917 30

        July 4, 2014 at 12:54 pm

        And Dr. Don could have afforded to do that. Unfortunately, he apparently decided, either for business reasons or out of boredom with the whole thing, to let it go down the drain and eventually sell out. IMO, much of the blame for the current situation is down to him, not Grand Am/NASCAR. I was a big ALMS fan, but I could see the change at Mosport when both Audi and Panoz lost interest, for whatever reasons. There was much less “buzz” at the track – not even the big race photos and entry arch to the paddock, let alone big screens. So, let’s not heap all this on Jim France for seeing a business opportunity.

  32. Max

    July 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    GTLM-BOP-Is not legit. As a race fan enthusiast, you can watch how the vettes pulled away at top end with no problem. After seeing this, it wasn’t a race. This series is becoming a joke and you will be losing me as a fan real soon. Fix the BOP’s or loose a fan base $$$…….

    • Fu Manchu

      July 10, 2014 at 7:41 pm

      Then explain where you think they should adjust BoP with regard to the Vettes. Why would they make the restrictor any smaller than it already is considering what everyone else is running, and the Viper is the only car heavier by 5 kg.

      Corvette Racing (and Pratt & Miller) are as good as it gets in any form of motorsports. There has been so much extra time and effort put in by a very talent-laden team to get the new car up to speed. The wins are deserved.

      The other teams really should step up their game instead.

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