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2017 LMP2 Regulations Confirmed; Constructors Announced in July

Tender process closed, four constructors to be announced in July…

Photo: John Dagys

Photo: John Dagys

The FIA and ACO have revealed the timeframe for the selection process of chassis constructors for the new-for-2017 LMP2 regulations.

The regulations, confirmed on Thursday during the Automobile Club de l’Ouest’s annual press conference, will see a four constructor limit, with tenders having been due yesterday from manufacturers.

According to ACO Sporting Director Vincent Beaumesnil, the final selections will be announced next month, in order to give constructors enough lead time to prepare for 2017.

“We have several working sessions next week,” Beaumesnil told Sportscar365. “We have meetings with the first selection of manufacturers the week after and we will announce the four selected car constructors by mid-July.

“The timing is short. I think when you have to build a new car, for sure, the date of July considering all the work that’s been done and the meetings, we could not do earlier.

“We’re still on time. The feedback from the manufacturers is good. But we definitely need cars homologated and ready to race by December 2016 because Daytona is early.”

Beaumesnil said the tender process for the previously confirmed spec engine and electronics will begin in July, with the selections being announced in September.

There are no significant changes to the initial 2017 LMP2 proposal, previously revealed in a Sportscar365 exclusive in February, which marks the first joint project between the FIA, ACO and IMSA.

The regulations, which will be locked in through 2020, will see a significant increase in power, to the range of 150 horsepower, which equates to a four-second decrease in lap time at Le Mans.

Also first revealed by Sportscar365, teams will be able to brand their engines, allowing for additional sponsorship opportunities.

The car’s minimum weight will remain at 900 kg but will feature LMP1-spec monocoques with additional safety measure, including a rear crash box.

“We will have a better car with better performance, better reliability, lower requirements in terms of maintenance, improved safety, and all for a reduced cost,” Beaumesnil said.

“I’m not talking about the sale price of the car because it will be increased [from 385,000 to 480,000 Euros], but the global annual costs must be reduced.

“The price of the spare parts, which is the biggest part of the budget for teams, will be reduced. There will be better servicing from the four manufacturers.

“They have a better business model. They can bring more service and spare parts on the race weekends. They can make stronger parts and we will cap some parts they use often.”

Beaumesnil said the same philosphy is behind the decision to go with a spec engine for the FIA World Endurance Championship, European and Asian Le Mans Series.

“If you want a strong engine with more power and good service on the track, the only possibility is to have a single supplier,” he said.

“We think by giving the possibility to the teams to do some [branding] deals with the engine, it’s a big step and shows that LMP2 is not the place for Audi, Porsche or Toyota. This is what we want to show.

“There is of course an exception in the U.S., but I think the philosophy of LMP2 is what we have decided and what we have to follow.”

As previously announced, LMP2 cars in the TUDOR United SportsCar Championship will be allowed to run multiple engines and brand-specific bodywork styling cues.

With IMSA performance balancing the engines to the same specification as the global spec powerplant, North American teams will be allowed to compete at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, but with standard bodywork.

IMSA has yet to finalize its Prototype configuration for 2017, but remains committed to the new platform.

Existing LMP2 cars will be grandfathered into the FIA WEC for 2017 and in the ELMS through 2018, with the Asian LMS only accepting previous-generation cars through 2018.

John Dagys is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of Sportscar365 as well as the recently launched e-racing365 Web site for electric racing. Dagys spent eight years as a motorsports correspondent for FOXSports.com/SPEED Channel, and contributes to other publications worldwide. Contact John

44 Comments

44 Comments

  1. sigh

    June 11, 2015 at 7:37 am

    RIP LMP2

    • AudiTT

      June 11, 2015 at 6:21 pm

      Like so much of the reaction on the Internet, this is nonsense.

      The new LMP2 cars are going to be every bit as sophisticated as today’s cars, in fact more so. They’ll also be quicker and more spectacular.

      Only a handful of constructors supply 90% of the LMP2 grid as it stands, and one engine supplier provides the motive power for 95% of the grid. For those constructors willing and able to build an LMP2, and have no need to sell cars to fund the program, they can compete in LMP1 ‘L’. In the coming seasons there are three or four of these programs in the works, it’s the ideal place for such cars.

      • Slow

        June 11, 2015 at 10:41 pm

        And they will be 100k more euro’s then the current car, with spec engine trash. You really think the manufactures are going to lower the price on spares out of good will? nahh with only four in the game it is the perfect involvement to collude together to hike up the prices on spares through the roof. Shady business and Economics 101.

        have fun going from 30+ p2’s global down to a handful.

        • AudiTT

          June 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm

          Those ‘spec engines’ will develop 150bhp more than current cars, putting them on par with LMGTP/LMP900 cars from the early 2000’s. Currently we see 95% of worldwide LMP2’s supplied by Nissan. Currently 90% of the worldwide LMP2 grid is also supplied by just a handful of chassis constructors.

          The great majority of teams in LMP2 already abide with the 2017 proposals.Expect LMP2 grids to grow further.

          • sigh

            June 12, 2015 at 4:19 pm

            So because the majority is one way we should continue down that path? Also since Oreca makes that Nissan engine, you can expect them to no longer be present come the change, unless they want to spend money to “brand” engines…

            Limiting the pool of allowed manufactures decreases the quality of the product provided… Everywhere a artificially limited market has been implemented the quality of the product supplied is less than that of an open market, not only that but the cost to consumer increases, you know spare parts… The efficiency of the design process also suffers because there isn’t a threat of being removed from the market place. So bad business designs with too much over head can flourish.

            The reason these changes are being implemented has nothing to do with the customers, and everything to do with poorly run firms with too much over head needing the competition pool limited so they don’t have to adjust their current business model.

            Guarantee the price on spare parts skyrockets once everything settles down. Especially if one chassis dominates.

            The current formula works, there is no legitimate reason to change that…

            Nice dodge on the 100k euro price increase on the cars…. I can see how the mental gymnastics on figuring out how that one benefits the teams could be a bit of a challenge.

          • AudiTT

            June 12, 2015 at 5:45 pm

            The mental gymnastics are believing there’s a grand conspiracy and all the benefits of the proposals will be reneged upon. Bookmark this page, these new regulations will deliver quicker, more exciting cars, with a running budget that makes the class more sustainable, resulting in stronger LMP2 fields in Europe, the US and Asia.
            .

          • slow

            June 13, 2015 at 7:25 am

            Yeah basic business and economic theory that’s taught in every university in America it’s totally a conspiracy… Guess you’d have to have gone to know that though.

          • AudiTT

            June 13, 2015 at 8:37 am

            Oh I get it, an American bemoaning the dastardly French….. because US sportscar racing is in such good shape.

          • Slow

            June 16, 2015 at 10:15 am

            GG on the shots at America, I guess if you have nothing left in the tank, a good old attack on ones nation always works, amirite?

            If all you have is insults, please refrain from trying to debate the grown ups.

    • Dale

      June 24, 2017 at 8:50 pm

      Wow, you must feel pretty stupid around about now, huh?

      It’s so funny to revisit old comments like this with reality having made people look like idiots.

  2. eee

    June 11, 2015 at 7:57 am

    ACO/FIA does it again

  3. Enzo

    June 11, 2015 at 8:18 am

    “four selected car constructors” means that one selected manufacturer will be able to sell more than one model of car?
    I mean, if selected, Oreca will be able to manufacture and sell both the 03 and the 05? This way if interested SMP could build the BR02 with one of the selected manufacturers.

    • Guest

      June 11, 2015 at 8:21 am

      I think the actual regulations will be detailed enough to discount that idea.

    • N8

      June 11, 2015 at 9:40 am

      All current cars are junk at the end of the 2016 season, at least for use in LMP2. 4 different constructors will all be building the same chassis to a new, common specification. Just like DP where Riley and Coyote build from the DPG3 spec sheet. They’re all identical under the bodywork.

      • AudiTT

        June 11, 2015 at 6:29 pm

        The new cars design is completely free, as it is today. The only limitation is on who can build them.

        Furthermore, cars like the oreca05 have been designed to the new chassis rules, so can be adapted.

        • N8

          June 12, 2015 at 9:46 am

          That’s not how I interpret it, nor does that make any sense. Where is this clarified?

  4. Jason

    June 11, 2015 at 8:54 am

    4 seconds a lap faster a Le mans than now? That seems unnecessary for this category. At Daytona they might lap at 1 min 35 sec or faster? The LMP2 pace is fine as it is right now.

    • Slow

      June 11, 2015 at 9:00 am

      That would be mid to late 2000’s LMP1 pace around Daytona. A couple of lmp900’s have run in the Daytona historic race, with the privateer AM owners driving them they run high 1:30’s around Daytona.

  5. Swoodward

    June 11, 2015 at 9:50 am

    Garbage.

  6. Bob

    June 11, 2015 at 10:15 am

    I’m sure today’s car manufacturers are eager to shell out money to put their name on an engine they didn’t engineer! This will work well!

    Sure you had the AER / Mazda situation 7 years ago in IMSA or Illmor / Chevy, Ford / Cosworth in CART.
    Or even the Hoosier / Continental relationship today.
    But today this is rare. Fans will know that a badged engine is just that. It wouldn’t increase cars sales of that brand. So it would be pointless.

    • Bob

      June 11, 2015 at 10:20 am

      Is Continental selling more tires today because their name is on all the TUDOR series spec race tires? That’s the relevant answer. They got into racing without actually producing one race tire. They got Hoosier to make the tires & put Continental on the sidewalls.
      Have sales increased from this program?

  7. yeah

    June 11, 2015 at 10:21 am

    spec trash

  8. Matt

    June 11, 2015 at 11:19 am

    Thanks for ruining P2 ACO! Next you’ll try to kill P1 with some unecceasary rules to pointlessly slow the cars down, even though the cars are the safest cars ever produced, driving on the safest pussy Tilke tracks in the world.

    • AudiTT

      June 11, 2015 at 7:20 pm

      Prior to 2014 sites like this were filled with comments about the ACO/FIA caving into “greenies”, destroying LMP1 by making it a tedious economy run.

      Safe to say comments sections aren’t the best place to seek, informed debate, who take a longer term view of the sport.

  9. Mishima505

    June 11, 2015 at 11:34 am

    I feel for those constructors who don’t get selected, they will effectively have to shut up shop at the end of 2016, with resulting job losses. Why couldn’t the FIA/ACO specify, say, six chassis & four engines and let the market do the rest. If one of those chosen four turns out to be a dog then the whole category is screwed as 1/4 of the cars won’t be competitive…

  10. Jaymondo

    June 11, 2015 at 11:53 am

    FIA/ACO give and then take away, P2 is effectively dead.

    Sadly many jobs will be lost all over the racing world, excellent design talent will never have a shop front to show off, and in the long run, the P1 factories will not have that talent to draw on.

    A very sad day

    • John

      June 11, 2015 at 5:18 pm

      We need to save those little, struggling P2 manufacturers like Oreca.

    • AudiTT

      June 11, 2015 at 6:34 pm

      If you wish to design a one off LMP, with no need or intention to sell to customers,there’s a class for you, it’s called LMP1 ‘L’.

      • Slow

        June 11, 2015 at 10:45 pm

        There actually isn’t a LMP1-L anymore, but nice try, they run at the same classification of the hybrid cars now.

        • AudiTT

          June 12, 2015 at 3:42 pm

          Hence the ‘L’. All LMP1’s are classified together but privateers still run to their own regulations. If you’d listened to Nick Leventis of Strakka Racing, he’s already stated they are looking to take the Dome to LMP1, Sard are looking, as are SMP and others.

          • Slow

            June 16, 2015 at 10:16 am

            They don’t run as L anymore… that is gone as of this year.

    • Dale

      June 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Wow, you must feel pretty stupid around about now, huh?

      It’s so funny to revisit old comments like this with reality having made people look like idiots.

  11. sb

    June 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    With all due respect to the people who earn a living working in sports car racing, this is the kind of thing that would cause me to lose interest in the 24 Hours. And I’m a diehard. Spec racing is not what Le Mans is all about and this is not substantively different from spec. Innovation and variety are part of the allure of Le Mans. Similarity and cookie-cutter cars are not the spirit of the race.

  12. mimi

    June 11, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    TUDOR run do not walk but run away from this deal as quickly as possible More ACO lies, but who is surprised? We do NOT see the 30% reduction in cost as promised. In fact the cars INCREASE in cost by 100,000 euros. No way they see cost reductions in cost as the deal does nothing to reduce parts cost. The four manufacturers will still make their replacement parts and will still raise the price to those parts. Then everyone has to “trust” the ACO/FIA that there will not be any major changes in 2020. Their past history does not support that position. You are asking teams to buy all new equipment with no guarantee that the new equipment will be outdated by the new rules package in 2020. There needed to be a minimum of ten years guaranteed in this rules package before looking to change the rules again. .

    TUDOR would be a damn fool to not grandfather their current cars in till 2020.

    • The Brad

      June 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      Yeah, where’s the 30% cost reduction ACO promised us? Increase new car cost by 95,000 euros? Talk about an entry barrier.

      I am eagerly awaiting TUDOR’s specific rules, including how long they’ll grandfather the DP and existing P2’s for.

      And, has ACO outlawed diesels in P2 without a doubt?

      • Helmut

        June 12, 2015 at 12:57 pm

        You can’t trust in the regulations, diesel were allowed in the original LMP2 regulations but then forbidden nonetheless (there are official documents with the diesel part struck through).

  13. Ernie2492

    June 11, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    It’s Group C with 3.5L F1 engine all over again..

  14. mimi

    June 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    Look for everyone to be running Oreca Nissan in 2017. An unofficial Spec class.

  15. Lanky Turtle

    June 11, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    No sir, I don’t like it.

  16. EB

    June 11, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    So who exactly asked for these regs? Not one team or driver has come forward. What is the point of LMP3 then? This seems extremely idiotic.

  17. Nick1

    June 11, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    Well why couldn’t the ACO just enforce the pre existing rule stating that manufacturers have to produce a certain amount of cars. Just give them a 2-3 year time limit or something that forces guys like Strakka and SMP to shell out more chassis. It should have been five manufacturers at most. I don’t mind the spec engine for Europe and Asia since it’s pretty much spec with the Nissan V8 right now.

  18. Brendan

    June 11, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    imsa will have multiple engine suppliers so how will that turn out? That means no spec engine so at least there is that 🙂 It doesn’t seem like a big deal on the imsa side of things in my opinion

  19. Doug

    June 15, 2015 at 7:37 am

    Am I completely happy? No.

    Then again at least they will not be tube framed…

  20. Marcus

    June 16, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    This is why I’m not a fan of the agreement that IMSA has with the ACO. IMSA should take a page (or two) from GA’s ‘playbook’ and allowed different constructors who were capable of building a car to the new rules AND make it available to whoever wants one. They should continue to use production based engines and allow technology that’s relevant to today’s market (turbos, paddle shifters, ABS etc) This spec engine rule reminds me of 91-92 with the 3.5 liter and look how long that lasted.

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